On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon.
Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorney’s office.
This case flew under my radar so to speak because it happened before my ‘time’. I had nonetheless heard of the legendary Diane Downs; the cruel sociopath who had sacrificed her own children to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she loved.
I must humbly admit that I had not questioned the facts of the case before readily accepting this image of Diane as a cold blooded killer.
I know better now than to accept blindly the truth presented to us on a silver platter by the media and the judicial system.
Having recently done research on the Liysa Northon’s case which was the subject of a book written by Ann Rule titled Heart Full of Lies, I came across some very interesting information about the Diane Downs’ case because Rule attended the trial and also wrote a book about the case called Small Sacrifices.
In reality, the whole case turned out to be no small sacrifice for Diane Downs, but it was a huge victory for the State, the media and a very lucrative deal for the Queen of crime fiction herself; Ann Rule.
In her book Heart Full of Lies, Rule took so many liberties with the facts that Liysa Northon sued her. It opened a huge can of worms regarding the real identity of the heart full of lies in this case.
Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled ‘’Ann Rule’s Sloppy Storytelling,” but she lost and had to make restitution.
The popular TV movie “Small Sacrifices” was based on Ann Rule’s book and it painted a horrid picture of the mother accused of shooting her children on Old Mohawk Road. The role of Diane Downs was played by none other than Farrah Fawcett and her lover was played by Ryan O’Neal who had been Farrah’s love interest in real life. They brought out the big guns to unload on the public, their idea of the truth: Diane Downs was a horrible creature and a jilted lover who shot her three children in cold blood to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she was obsessed with.
My opposition to movies about true crime stories is unshakable. It should be illegal to use real names and facts from a criminal case while influencing the public to falsely believe that the whole content of the film is true. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases.
Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled Small Sacrifices document the true story of the Diane Downs’ case; in fact, it is a mix bag of truth, falsehoods, interpretation and plain fiction.
Diane Downs
Diane Frederickson was born August 7, 1955 in Phoenix, Arizona. Her parents Willadene and Wes were old school Baptist parents who raised her under strict guidelines without much warmth but complete devotion.
Diane was known for her love of all animals which she treated with great care, and for her independent and wild streak.
She was extremely intelligent but her emotional IQ was no match and her desire for freedom, love and affection were dangerously dragging her down a path of self-destruction.
In high school, she met handsome Steven Downs who saw her for the great beauty she had become. Growing up, Diane had felt like an outsider and kids had been cruel towards her because of her real or imagined ugly duckling looks and demeanor. She did not fit in and was now anxious to assert her independence and live her own life.
She learned at a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. That is the way she was brought up, especially at the demand of her rigid but very dedicated father.
After graduation, Steven joined the Navy and Diane was sent to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College where she failed miserably at remaining pure and chaste, not unlike most girls of her generation who rejected their strict religious upbringing. She was expelled and reunited with him against her parents’ wishes. They had high hopes for Diane’s future and this bad boy was not part of it.
Steven and Diane married on November 13, 1973. She was eighteen and soon realized that she had jumped from the fire into the frying pan.
Her quest for love had landed her into an unstable and loveless marriage. Her husband turned out to be a player and a very irresponsible guy who did not really love her.
So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. She felt fulfilled when she was pregnant because she believed it was the road to unconditional love. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976.
This unhealthy marriage survived and became a daily struggle. Diane ran away from her husband many times between 1976 and 1977, but with nowhere to go except her parents’ house, she would come back. And Steven would hunt her down anyway and charm his way back into her life. It was the story of two troubled young souls trying to survive without a safety net. And with hindsight, the fact that this young mother had a personality disorder probably brought a lot of drama to the mix.
In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Steven’s biological son because he had no desire to be a father again.
As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. And Steven was free to follow her lead or not.
Surprisingly, he accepted the new child and learned to love him dearly. But the birth of little Danny did not make this bad boy change his stripes; he remained a cad and a destabilizing force in their lives. And being the mother of three only served to propel Diane in a more manic state.
Diane found a full-time job with the U.S. Post Office in 1981, and was stationed in Chandler.
She had been the bread winner for most of her marriage, and never wavered in her desire to bring financial stability to her family. She even became a surrogate mother to make money and provide two parents the opportunity to have a child.
She entertained the idea of opening a surrogacy agency but the project never really took off. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending on how you want to look at it.
In Rule’s book, Diane is portrayed as a horrible selfish mother but her family and friends saw another version; she loved her children dearly and worked hard to be a good provider.
She was the first to admit that at times, she was somewhat neglectful, impatient, yelled too much, and could have been a better mother, but she seemed to have turned the corner and was doing her best with the means at her disposal. By many accounts, her children adored her.
This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke ”It’s my opinion that this young woman has been judged in a way that signifies something to do with how we view women in our society. There have been behaviors that in the general course of events one may expect from a single parent that in a way have been falsely interpreted as being some form of evil.”
The men in her life were in no shape or form called on their irresponsible or wild behavior. The proverbial expression ‘It takes two to tango’ applies here. It was pretty apparent during the course of this saga that the media and the state were willing to give a free pass to anyone willing to badmouth Diane.
Diane, of her own admission, had plenty of affairs while she worked at the Post Office.
And Robert Knickerbocker became one of her lovers. He actually was the one who suggested they become intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. As a married man, the ball was in his court and he decided to go for it.
Diane found with him, the kind of relationship she had never known before: there was actually care and intimacy involved. Robert and Diane even decided to get matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. He separated from his wife and was going to follow Diane who, by now, had decided to move and work in Oregon to be closer to her parents. What followed was a tragedy subject to many interpretations.
The move to Oregon
If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. After asking her to have an affair, he kept vacillating between his wife and her. He strung her along, played with both women’s emotions, and after saying he would join her in Oregon, reneged and stayed with his wife. Moreover, he apparently told her that he did not want children and this statement alone would seal Diane’s fate. But there was a lot left unsaid about this relationship.
”Diane had learned from nine months of interaction with Knick, that the man was consistent only in his inconsistency. He’d left his first wife to co-habitate with (and later marry) Charlene. He then left !’his second wife, Charlene, to cohabitate with (and propose marriage to) Diane. There was no question in Diane’s mind that Knick would take another mistress if she married him, and that he’d move on again.
That’s why Diane wouldn’t agree to marry unless Knick first signed a premarital agreement that when they divorced, Knick would take nothing from their marriage. Knick never signed the premarital agreement and Diane never married him.
Yet that didn’t stop Knick from asking Mr. Frederickson for a job and for Diane’s hand in marriage (Appendix 81, page Case History Page 25).
This unexpected proposal took Diane by surprise at a large family gathering. Knick had NOT signed the premarital agreement, but that didn’t stay his pursuit of Diane, knowing she was moving 1200 miles away.
As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). Most were married because Diane had no desire to remarry. She was still trying to extricate herself from a bad relationship with Steve Downs and was in no hurry to repeat the mistake. Diane didn’t ask Knick to leave his wife. He freely admitted HE decided to ask for a divorce on his birthday without consulting Diane, who was out of town
(Appendix 81, page 1466).
Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife).
In fact, Knick admits Diane took that gold chain as collateral against a $500 LOAN she made to him. And after Diane left Arizona she didn’t call Knick to inquire about his love, but rather about when he would repay the $500 (Appendix 81, pages 1479-1480).
The roller coaster ride had nothing to do with Diane’ s children and Diane knew it. It was all about Charlene wanting Knick–Knick ~wanting Diane–and Diane wanting a return to the peace she had before Knick asked his wife for a divorce.
Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. But Diane was not the one dragging Knick out of Charlene’s bed every morning intent on making or breaking his relationship with another woman.
Knick’s habit of turning on and turning off their relationship was known to Diane long before he admitted it in court a year later (Appendix 81, page 1520, line 21):
“Q. Do you remember it would have been around say November 19th of ’82 that you would have left Charlene at one time?
A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane.
Q. And in fact this would have been about the time that Charlene broke a bottle of liquor that you had. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. It would be about November 20th that you would have gone back with Charlene, what, the next day?
A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir.
Q. But you told Diane Downs to’ go ahead and get an apartment?
A. I don’t recall telling her to get an apartment. She got an apartment and I was going to move in with her.
Q. Do you remember about two days after that the two of you signing a lease on the apartment?
A. Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir.
Q. Do you remember probably about four or five days after
that you told Diane to tell steve that she was Knick’s
woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that?
A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didn’t tell her to
tell someone else.
Q. Do you remember a couple of days after that, December
1st, you came back from a trip? Basically then at that
time it was –the situation was down.
You indicated you were not going to get a divorce?
A. Yes, I had filed for divorce and then I canceled it. Page 26 of Case History
After six weeks in Oregon where the children were happily spending time with their grandparents while Diane worked her postal route, the incident happened on a dark road that led to Diane being accused of murder and attempted murder.
The shooting on Old Mohawk Road
On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules.
As it was getting dark and the young ones fell asleep in the car, their mother decided to head home.
According to Diane, she then saw a man on the road flagging her and stopped thinking he needed help. He asked her for the car keys and she pretended to throw them away to distract him. When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm.
This is a scenario pretty hard to believe, but as they say, reality can sometimes be stranger than fiction.
On her way to the hospital, she was followed by someone who said she was going slow, but Diane said she was driving fairly fast. Would you know at what speed you are going if you were shot and driving with wounded children in the car? I am not sure.
This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, but none of it was explained or demonstrated properly.
After arriving at the nearest hospital where the nursing staff and doctors attended to the children, the police were called in and her parents arrived promptly. Right away, the police asked her to go back to the crime scene even though she did not want to leave her children behind. Her father also insisted she try to help catch the shooter. She unwillingly followed the cops in spite of being in pain and not wanting to leave the premises.
In the nurse’s notes, she is described as in shock and unable to grasp the situation. Most people described Diane’s injury as minor or superficial but in reality, it was a very serious injury. Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. A steel plate had to be attached and some lead fragments were removed.
Her children were obviously more severely injured because being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car.
Diane’s injury had to be quite painful and she was in shock while driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. So how she behaved at the time, should not have been a factor influencing the authorities. But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed.
The investigation
The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened.
But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the driver’s side of the car.
”The police DID fingerprint the car, from grill to trunk and in between. Inside, outside, top to bottom. Everywhere, EXCEPT the door through which Diane reported to police, the male stranger had passed.” Page 37 of Case History
Diane’s automobile was secured and examined and no gun was found. They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. They checked her shoes and they were clean. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands.
”A test for the presence of gunshot residue conducted on Diane’s hands the night of the shooting, returned a negative result (Appendix 23). She had not fired a gun.
Detective Antoine also performed a trace metal test on Diane I S hands to “detect the presence of trace metals left after someone has touched or held something metallic” like a gun (Appendix 65). This test confirmed Diane had not held a gun.” Page 40 of Case History.
She had no blood spatter or gun powder residue on her hands, clothing or hair. Meaning it was unlikely she was the shooter.
In her book, Ann Rule made sure to mention that running water was heard by a dispatcher when Diane was at the hospital; insinuating that she was washing her hands and getting rid of evidence. A fact strongly denied by Diane and by the nurses’ reports.
”The State produced a witness (Ms. Patterson) to testify that Diane Downs entered the hospital bathroom, left the door open, and ran water in the sink (Appendix 87, page 476). That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger.
As Ms. Patterson left the stand, Diane complained to her attorney that Ms. Patterson had lied under oath. Mr. Jagger said it wasn’t t enough to know a witness had lied, but she would have to prove it.
The next morning Diane appeared in the courtroom with a police report written by Detective Pond a year earlier, in which Ms. Patterson was sure Diane had gone nowhere near the bathroom the night of the shooting (Appendix 62).
Mr. Jagger read the report and said, you were right. Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth.” He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. Page 35 of Case History
Anyway, it takes a good scrubbing with soap and water to get rid of gun powder residues and doing so with only one arm would be quite difficult.
Plus, Diane could have never cleaned her clothes and her hair to remove blood and gun powder. Let’s not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. And if you add the fact that they never found the gun, it doesn’t leave much evidence to back up the theory that she was the shooter.
‘’Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. If you use this mixed water, you can lift off a gunpowder stain.’’
Actor Robert Blake was found not guilty of the shooting murder of his wife. One of the important pieces of evidence was the absence of all but a trace of gunshot residue.
Click to listen to podcast explaining the gun test, Diane’s mental condition and the lack of forensic evidence.
The bushy haired stranger
Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. DA Pat Horton declared early in the game to the local paper that ‘the search for the bearded stranger was not very high on their priority list.’’
To the authorities, it was a ridiculous notion that they would not entertain so they did not follow on numerous leads coming from people who had seen someone corresponding to that description.
They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the ‘bushy haired stranger.’ The problem was that they could not find the gun anywhere and they had nothing on Diane.
Teams of people and detectives combed the area for months looking for the gun but it was nowhere to be found. Even prosecutor Fred Hugi was seen walking the grounds to try to find the weapon. They were in a difficult situation because without evidence, they could not charge her for the crime.
Yet in their mind, she was already guilty. Sheriff’s Deputy Roy Pond admitted in court that he had already concluded that Diane was guilty and stopped following leads on the orders of his sergeant three weeks after the shooting.
Almost from day one, Diane was perceived as a ‘cancer’ they had to remove. They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. So it was a relentless game to try to reel her in.
She was fighting back and they did not like it. So they did everything in their power to slant the media and the public in their favor.
This case had many similarities to the Alice Crimmins’story. An attractive woman whose two children were killed in mysterious circumstances and the cops decided to go after her. They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse.
Instead of grieving, Alice went partying and had sex. They finally charged her and she did 10 years for the death of her children. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence.
Not unlike Diane, Alice did not want to share her pain in public. They both fainted when they saw their dead child, but it did not count. The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart.
These women did not show emotions and did not fold when asked to. And these men in black perceived this as an act of war, and proceeded to go after them with every legal or illegal means at their disposal.
You can click here to read about the case of Alice Crimmins during which the lead detective was heard telling the other cops before the bodies of the children were ever found: ”You take the husband, I’ll take the bitch.”
The best policy for Diane Downs would have been to remain silent, but she fought back and smiled at the wrong time and according to them, enjoyed the attention. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it.
The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia.
If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation.
And the flat affect and sometimes inappropriate smiling would come with the territory so you cannot judge her actions without taking into account that she might not have been acting according to the norms.
It had nothing to do with the evidence of the case and represents useless labeling anyway.
When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Diane’s face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say read this to understand accounts of people laughing at the wrong time and how it is related to their personality disorder. Plus, the circumstances of this charade were more than sinister.
Right after her first surgery, ”The Detectives were adamant that they HAD to have Diane right then to recreate the incident- unless of course, you have something to hide. The implication was not only cruel, in the light of what Diane was suffering, it was also clear. Jump through the State’s hoops, or find a noose around your neck.
Diane followed the detectives to their car. One of the more bizarre scenes in this farce of an investigation was about to unfold.
Mrs. Frederickson’s concern for her daughter’s emotional state was well placed. Diane had spent three days in the hospital ingesting massive doses of Morphine, Demerol, Percodan, and visterol. The problem was, Diane has a long-documented history of adversely reacting to tranquilizing drugs.
From the time Diane was a teenager, when a physician ordered visterol in an emergency room situation, it has been documented again and again that sedatives ingested while Diane is in pain, provoke a chemically induced hysteria in her. Five doctors have observed and documented this phenomenon.
Whether or not Mrs. Frederickson could have attached a clinical lab to Diane’s “not being herself” the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system.
The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter.
At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1″ of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords). The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling.
Common sense will tell this Court, when Diane accidently slammed her mangled arm into the steering wheel of Detective Tracy’s car, it was ANYTHING but a laughing matter. Yet, that is exactly what the videotape shows–Diane laughing hysterically about hurting her arm. Hysteria. Their goal was to make Dian look crazy, because sane people don’t shoot their children.” Page 6 of Case History
Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road.
Diane changed her story about the ‘stranger’ on the road. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. It should have raised a red flag concerning her mental stability or the possibility that more people were involved.
The inconsistencies and obvious lack of evidence in this case should have called for a wider investigation instead of solely focusing on their prime suspect.
Christie Downs
Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, ‘Why did the mean man shoot me?’ and it would be written down in the daily notes. Christie could not speak but after some rehab, she said repeatedly that she did not know who shot them.
The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb. But to convince this young and vulnerable girl to turn on her mother, they needed to isolate her from her family and work relentlessly on her ‘confession.’
Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer.
Three weeks after the crime, Judge Foote from family courts, removed Danny and Christie from the care of Diane Downs and her family.
Even if the nurses’ notes indicated countless times that the children asked for their mother and enjoyed her visits, they cut them off from the only family they knew and loved; supposedly for their own protection.
The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. It seems that a lot of what was written down never came up during testimony and some nurses even strayed from the original content.
The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified of her mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation.
It was written repeatedly in the daily notes that the children were happy to see their mom and asked for her. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of ‘excitement’ or ‘intense fear’.
There were days she was unhappy to see the staff and her family because she was very ill. That poor girl had a lot of bad moments where she would cry constantly or trigger the machines and to have defined this single incident as one of terror instead of excitement over seeing her mom was biased and self-serving.
All smoke and mirrors to fit a certain scenario.
In fact, Diane and her lawyer wanted Christie to be able to heal before being questioned and to be accompanied and taped during the sessions. A very reasonable request that was rejected. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession.
What about the terror of being interrogated by strangers and separated from her family? They sure forgot to tell us about her pulse racing during these sessions.
Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. It was not unlike brainwashing.
According to her hospital records, every 6 hours she was given 400 milligrams of Dilantin (which is noted for causing confusion). The prescribed normal dosage for a full grown man is 30 milligrams per day. Phenobarbital was administered alongside the Dilantin.
More often than not, Christie was ”interviewed” by State Agents (Paula Krogdahl, Paul Alton, Steve Downs and Dick Tracy) within half an hour of having her Dilantin increased.
In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the ”Anatomy of Brainwashing” that can answer any question on this subject. This was all logged in Christie’s hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.
Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. And the interrogations were not taped and barely documented. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. They are the ones who considered Diane’s children as Small Sacrifices.
The unreliability of children’s testimony has been documented by cognitive psychologists such as Elizabeth Loftus of the University of Cornell and others.
The harm done to families by unscrupulous district attorneys who bully children into falsely testifying against their parents has been recorded in a documentary called “Witch Hunt” by Sean Penn about Kern County (CA) District Attorney Ed Jagels.
There is no way that a jury would convict Diane today, based on the clearly coached testimony of Christie.
”Christie Downs was eight-years old when she was injured and nine-years old when she testified. As a rule, any child under the age of ten prompts counsel to question the competence of any testimony that child might give.
Even on a worldwide scale, the age of accountability is considered to be twelve years old. Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of “truth” and “lie”, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie.
That is the reason effective trial counsel challenges the competency of a nine-year-old child to testify in a court of law. Mr. Jagger failed to challenge that competency.” Page 40 of Case History
It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. Everything was in the bag and ready for trial.
The fact that she and her brother Danny were eventually adopted by Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs is the most blatant case of conflict of interest I have ever heard of.
Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture.
”In the spring of 1986, Christie confided to school mates that she’d been coerced to lie in court, to implicate her mother (Appendix 1-2). At least two of those school mates reported Christie’s tortured confession to their mother
(Appendix 3). It can safely be presumed, other children told their parents, and that some of those parents reported the disturbing revelation to state’s Attorney, Prosecutor Fred Hugi. What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christie’s confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. This coercion came to Diane’s attention in January 1989 (Appendix 39).” Page 41 of case history.
One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children. Or why the fact that he was a con artist made him such a credible guy in this case. Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. If the goal was to get rid of them, why didn’t she emulate her lesser half in this matter?
”Detective Welch reminded Diane of the assault her sister witnessed in February 1983, in which steve Downs broke Diane’s tailbone (Appendix 74, page 1025).
And she clearly remembered the April 1983, rape that Mr. Downs would later refer to as “love making”. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steve’s rage took the last step on the path he’d been treading for a long time. He said all the police needed was for Diane to bear witness against her ex-husband. But Diane couldn’t do that. Whether or not Steve Downs was in some way behind the shooting, the man who fired the weapon was a stranger to Diane. The detective said if Diane would just testify against Steve Downs, she and her children could go home and try to put their lives back together. Diane asked for proof that her ex husband was behind the shooting.
The detective said to leave that up to the police. But without proof, Diane couldn’t implicate Steve Downs any more than she could shoot him as he violated a restraining order threatening to beat her AGAIN. Diane is not a killer or a liar!
As she walked away”, Detective Welch called after her, “If you don’t testify against Steve, you’re going to lose everything.” Diane turned back to say, “Show me proof,” and walked away.
The next day, on June 16, 1983, CSD terminated Diane’s visitations with her children altogether.” Page 10 of Case History.
The trial
From the very beginning, the DA’s office had their ducks in a row because in an unprecedented move, Judge Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from ‘juvenile’ to ‘senior’ judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs.
On May 30, 1983, the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital Chaplain told Diane’s father to hire an attorney because the State was going to take his grandchildren away. He hired Jim Jagger on the 1st of June 1983, 11 days after the shooting.
Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. On June 2nd, 1983, Juvenile Court Judge Gregory Foote held a hearing to take Christie and Danny away from ALL blood family (thus isolating them). He gave temporary custody to Dr. Wilhite.
“Judges are subject to certain ethical standards and have a duty to be impartial. Standards of conduct are defined by state law, but they generally require a judge to avoid appearances of impropriety, such as avoiding deciding a dispute in which the judge is personally involved in the issue at stake or has a relationship to one of the parties.“
It was Judge Foote’s first criminal case and it was against a woman whose children he had removed from her care even though she had not been convicted or sentenced; a conflict of interest and pure madness.
They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business.
James C. Jagger who was hired by Diane’s father was an ex-Prosecutor. It turned out to be a mistake because he was married to a County Circuit Court Judge who would become a colleague of Foote and he had no intention of defending Diane vigorously.
You wondered at times, which side he was working for.
To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for 6 months in 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. Click here to read the complaint.
Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial, he tried to retain defense attorney Melvin Belli who had the reputation of fighting for his clients and to win all his cases.
Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared ‘’you have an attorney, use him.”
Foote ruled in favor of the prosecution and against the defense on most of the admissible evidence questions including all the nurse’s notes about Danny talking about a man shooting him but admitted Christie’s reports about her mother shooting her.
Diane’s brother, James, sat in court one day and noticed Foote looking at Hugi before ruling on an objection. The prosecutor would gently shake his head and the good judge would follow with a ruling. As a result, he decided not to attend the rest of the trial.
We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened.
Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. It appeared rigged and the fact that Ann Rule sat in the courtroom ready to produce a Masterpiece of Guilt could only help the prosecution.
The gun
According to the State, ballistics evidence proved that Diane Downs was guilty.
They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Diane’s rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not match and the detective lied on the stand about it.
Click here to read about faulty ballistics.
During closing arguments, Fred Hugi said that the murder weapon used by Diane was a Ruger, and the state had the model number and the bill of sale. That same gun turned up at a police raid years later in Perris, California, and it did not match the ballistics from the shooting site.
Ruger #14-76187; described as the gun used by Diane and belonging to Steve Downs, was not the murder weapon. They came up with an explanation as to why this was the wrong gun but the jig was up.
Steve Downs had allegedly stolen this gun from a friend named Billy Proctor, but after it was found and the ballistics did not match, Bill suddenly remembered keeping it only for a day before exchanging it for another Ruger automatic at a gun show in Mesa; which now meant that the gun that Diane allegedly used to shoot herself and the children, was still apparently nowhere to be found.
Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either.
The very suspicious aspect of this ballistic saga is that Hugi said they had the bill of sale and serial number for the first Ruger and it was definitely the murder weapon. If, as Proctor said, it was exchanged right away, and the other Ruger was subsequently stolen by Steven, how was it remotely possible for him to have this info?
Are we to believe that Proctor’s second gun was stolen with the bill and ID from the first gun that remained listed at the gun store?
A demonstration in court strongly suggested that the shooter had to be left-handed to have been able to shoot in the car at the right angle. Diane was right-handed.
Fingerprints at the crime scene were not produced by the State.
Police witness reports of strangers and confessions were suppressed or not pursued.
Years later, seven witnesses signed affidavits telling of a man named Jim Haynes’ continuing confession that he was the shooter, and his appearance bore similarities to the sketch.
It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. View the affidavits.
Diane’s Mental State
During Diane’s examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a ‘deviant sociopath.’
In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. The definition of ‘deviant sociopath’ does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done.
http://www.dianedowns.com/Dr.%20Jamison%20affidavit.pdf
As soon as Diane was found guilty, Hugi demanded that Diane be evaluated by a psychiatrist before sentencing so they could declare her a dangerous offender and give her a stiffer sentence.
”In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Diane’s fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the State’s presentation. It wasn’t until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. Brewer changed his mind. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jagger’s defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger •
Mr. Brewer stood ready to testify in June 1991, that it was because of Prosecutor Hugi’s lie that he changed his mind to convict and that he alone was responsible for silencing the dissenting votes of two other jurors (Appendix 97).
Mr. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record.
The state’s own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugi’s practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all.” Page 50 of Case History
Strangely enough, a woman who was seen for 8 months by a psychologist and declared to be in shock and suffering from a mood disorder, would now be assessed by the ‘State hired psychiatrist’ to confirm the label Hugi conveniently made up during trial. And Hugi seemed pretty sure he would get what he was asking for.
So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a State’s rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis.
It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. Mission accomplished.
The unicorn and Hungry like the Wolf
Anne Rule made a big deal of a brass unicorn engraved with the children’s names that Diane had purchased. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car.
According to Rule and the court, the unicorn was a memorial to her children that she purchased after premeditating their murder. It was far fetched, unfounded and conveniently relayed by Rule to boost the sales of her book.
There is absolutely no evidence that Hungry like the Wolf was playing when Christie got shot but it is another detail they added to bring a dramatic element to this trial. They played the tape in the courtroom, and the fact that Diane did not break down but tapped her foot to the music, was supposed to be another proof of her guilt. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rule’s books, would you find such fantasy.
In fact, if someone was Hungry like the Wolf in this courtroom, it was a certain crime author who could already smell and taste the fortune coming her way after the publication of this juicy story.
Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom.
But he overestimated the kind of people that would go along with this soap opera. They were not truth seekers and enjoyed a nice burning at the stake instead.
Rule defended her right ‘to earn a living’ and to tell her story. Too bad she did not interview Diane or her family. She talked to Diane for 15 minutes, there was the bizarre and partial Oprah interview that was basically a ‘let’s bash Diane’ event and she wrote to Diane in jail to ask her what she thought of Hugi adopting her children. That was the extent of her ‘investigation’ of Diane’s side.
When Diane’s youngest daughter, who was adopted after being taken away by the state, found out who her real mother was and decided to reach out to her, the media and Rule grabbed hold of her to promote their agenda.
How could they expect a ‘normal’ mother/daughter reunion between a beaten inmate whose mental health had degraded and a daughter trapped in this insanity?
Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. It probably was not salacious enough for her readers that she polled online to establish if there was enough interest in the story to fill her pockets with a definite blockbuster.
They should have stayed out of it instead of contributing to her revictimization.
The foreseeable verdict
Diane was cooked the minute she walked in that courtroom. Evidence or not, they were going to do their best to put her away for life. And their plan worked. The poor jury went along and Jagger did not put much of a defense anyway.
Considering the lack of evidence, it seems that she was condemned mostly because of her inappropriate statements and behavior. Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony?
Her lover and former husband testified against her but it did not represent evidence but character assassination. And it is not like these two were white as snow.
There was never a real motive for the crime even if the State insisted that Diane wanted to be free to pursue her love interest; using her journals to support their claim.
If personal diaries were to be believed, half of the population would be in great jeopardy. Diane was jealous of the other woman, but Robert Knickerbocker’s wife said that she found her rather friendly during their encounter. Nuts maybe, but not threatening.
The fact that she took the kids to the nearest hospital, and two of them survived kind of flies in the face of their murder at all costs theory. I guess Diane forgot to have that part engraved on the Unicorn.
She knew that Knickerbocker hated trouble of any kind, and that he would have never come back to her after an ugly shooting where she had been wounded and her kids damaged. Diane was pregnant during the trial so if found not guilty, how would she have regained the love of her life? Their theory was very shaky.
I do not care if the bushy haired stranger made no sense or if they could not explain the why of the tragedy, I do not care if she was madly in love with a guy because all that counts is proof and evidence in a court of law, and there was definitely a reasonable doubt. Without the media blast and rush to judgment from the police and DA’s office, we might have uncovered the truth. The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
The Jury
The jury verdict was guilty on all counts, but there was a mixture of votes. On the single count of murder, the jurors needed a unanimous decision.
Two jurors had voted that Diane was not guilty of attempted murder or first-degree assault, but ended up voting to convict her of murder. What was the rationale behind this?
The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. One of the jurors finally declared ”we started as a group and finished as a group.”
He also said ”we don’t want to put pressure on the group, we don’t want to end up bickering. We’ve become friends. I go fishing with a juror’s husband. I have plans to go hunting with the husband of one of the alternates.”
They brought cakes and cookies and became friends so they were not going to fight over this. The hell with doubts, ballistics and pesky details about the shooting, we cannot disagree because there is hunting and fishing to do and friendships to uphold. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya.
But in their defense, they were told at trial what gun was used by Diane to shoot the kids and it must have been very difficult to overcome the emotions brought on by the words of little Christie even if it was pretty obvious during her testimony that she was confused and unreliable.
During cross-examination, she said that she witnessed the murders while sitting up and that Cheryl was sitting up on the front seat when she got shot.
Diane said that Cheryl was laying down on the front floorboard with the passenger seat pushed back. Cheryl was shot twice in the back and one of the bullets ended up on the floorboard.
She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side.
There was no blood on the front seats so Cheryl was laying down and Christie was asleep laying down and never witnessed anything.
She was also shot twice and if she had been sitting up, the seats would have been covered with blood spatter as well as the shooter. Instead, there is blood splatter on the ceiling of the car.
Criminalist James Pex was pretty clear about this. The way Christie was coached did not correspond to the reality of the direct evidence.
The Aftermath
Years later, Christie was heard saying by classmates that she did not know who shot her. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced.
Caught in the act, Hugi declared that Christie only said that because she was pressed for an answer. How ironic. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. After all, she was conditioned this way.
A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. There were a few calls and on one occasion, Christie said “They just, they knew that, you know, that she did it and I should say that she did it.” When asked if she thought her mother did it or someone else did it, she replied, “”I don’t know if she did it or someone else did, cause I don’t know.” Then “Angel” says: “They told you that was the right thing to do, huh?” Christie responds, “But like the person, my attorney, and that’s who Fred is, that I’m living with, he’s the guy, he works for me.“
To listen to Christie’s taped conversation, click below.
Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. She was in solitary confinement for years and even escaped from prison once but was recaptured.
In 1999, a Board Certified Psychiatrist practicing in Oakland, California wrote a letter to the parole board on behalf of Diane Downs to explain how things had changed since 1984 when she was diagnosed with a ‘severe personality disorder.’ He did not consider her a risk factor at all and believed she would do well if released into society, because she had no prior history of violence and never had a problem with violence or bad behavior while incarcerated.
In 2008, a psych evaluation by L. Williams, Ph.D., Chief of Mental Health at Valley State Prison for Women, explained Diane’s lack of emotions and its relationship to her case.
Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. She functions best in highly structured environments where she has a sense of control. She may be highly vulnerable to losing control of her emotions in emotionally charged situations, creating faulty judgment and ineffective and inappropriate behavior.
“She keeps her emotions under tight control, presenting only socially acceptable feelings and burying other contradictory feelings.”
As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence.
She states, “I did not shoot my children and I can’t say I did. It would not benefit you, my children, or society for me to perpetuate that lie. If I was of a mind to manipulate the Board by giving voice to the words they want me to utter, I’d have sold my soul two decades ago when the lies would have benefited me and my youth passed long ago. It’s too late for me to call myself a murderer (when I am not) just to purchase my freedom. I did not shoot my children.“
She goes on to say that she has deep regret and mourns the loss and death of her children.
If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago, considering her good behavior and lack of priors. The Parole Board had an obligation to parole Diane between 1998 and 2002 if she could provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society.
According to Oregon law, this would have to be supported by a psychiatrist’s report or a Wardens’ letter and Diane provided both. But the Parole Board refused to hear her. She followed all the correct Parole Board procedures for two years with no hearing. She then went through the State (Circuit) Court habeas corpus relief for four years to no avail. She is nowhere near being paroled and if she admitted guilt, I am not even convinced they would release her. Her case was too public and they are afraid of public backlash.
I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence to try and convict Diane Downs. They should have taken their time to investigate this case thoroughly and without prejudice.
Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts and cold-blooded women and were judged on their unusual character. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches’ fault.
It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. I understand that the authorities were afraid to leave the two remaining children under her care if they thought she was guilty, but they could have been released to the grandparents or other blood relatives with supervised visits from their mom considering that she was not charged with any crime. They were traumatized and needed familiar faces to feel safe.
The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings ”I don’t buy it” ”She’s guilty” ”She did it” ”I know she did it” ”Her story makes no sense” ”She’s evil” ”She’s crazy.” ”It had to be her.”
So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. ”She’s guilty”.
The State had the same gut feeling and made sure she would pay. Guilty or not, we should know better than to use the justice system as a psychic tool when there’s not enough evidence. What’s next? Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? She had the right to a fair trial as much as anyone else out there.
It appears that you have to be a perfect mother with no lovers and not afflicted with any mental illness to be considered innocent until proven guilty in America.
The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie Small Sacrifices was known for her epic battles with lover Ryan O’Neil. Her son ended up in jail and O’Neil’s children accused him of neglect and bad parenting.
Farrah had trouble with the law because of a passionate love affair with a movie director. So if we started judging people harshly for their flaws, it would never end.
A trial should be based on facts and solid direct or circumstantial evidence. Some would say that Diane Downs was condemned because of her lies and inconsistencies, but I think that it was mostly because of her disturbing demeanor and brash personality.
She has done her time in prison and I hope that she gets the chance to get out and spend time with her mother and siblings. Her father passed away in October 2017 after having fought relentlessly for her release.
Anne Rule might have inflamed the case with her book Small Sacrifices and her theory of the crime, but in reality, the case of Diane Downs was no small sacrifice. The price of celebrity for her was losing her freedom and her children for life. It does not get any bigger than this.
Click to read The Case of Liysa Northon – Who Said True Crime Does not Pay?
Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. Barry Sheck and bis crew of investigators should get involved. This really makes me angry, that prosecuter and judge should be sued along with the writter.
The innocence project gets so many requests and they have limited resources. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. At the very least, she should have been released by now.
Would you seriously be confident enough to present your findings you mention in your article to Diane Downs’ children?
Lise lasalle you mention THIS When she (Diane) resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. She (Diane) managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on her…so WHICH IS IT
I don’t know which it is Libby. Nobody knows but her. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments
I recently found your website and have enjoyed it a lot. I am a true crime junkie.
I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. Not meaning to sound disrespectful, but you seem to be doing what you accuse Ann Rule of doing. Leaving out a lot of info that should be included and presenting a very one sided take on these things.
1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. GSR can easily fall off just by brushing your hand against a surface. It is also very is to clean.
There are documented cases of suicides where the person has no GNR, as well as murder cases.
Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by ‘experts’. Lack of blood spatter is not evidence of innocence Especially when a shooter is leaning in and shooting into a box (car) while standing outside.
2) You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane. You fail to mention what her daughter actually said about her communication with Diane, like Diane telling her that a very powerful person, a ‘secret man’, has been watching her, and that if she loved her son she would move away or else her son will grow up to be a murderer. And how the letters became so bizarre, paranoid and psychotic that she told Diane to stop writing her.
3) You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. Now she claims she was dating an FBI agent at the time, was holding some top secret pictures for him, and she was on the road to meet someone to pass them off, at the instruction of her FBI ‘boyfriend’.
She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name.
Seems to me that if that part of the story were true, and she really wanted to find her childrens shooter, she would have provided that information. A long long time ago.
4. A slightly ‘humorous’ observation is that you said, and others have, that James Haynes ‘physically resembled the sketch’. Problem with that is Diane has said during an interview with detectives that the sketch looks nothing like what she described. She even provided the police with her own sketch.
Yes, I believe she is guilty. 🙂
Just wanted to add in my two cents.
Thanks!
Saying that I seem to be doing what I accuse Ann Rule of doing is kind of ironic because the point of this blog is to try to stay away from innuendo and fantasies like unicorns and songs that might have been playing or not during a tragic murder. And to try not to bash Diane’s Downs’ character and stick to evidence instead. But I will answer the points you raised about the blog.
You’re right to say that a GSR is not always foolproof and between 10-20% of suicide GSR kits test negative for GSR. Additionally, homicide or assault victims shot by someone else can test positive for GSR. They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. It was positive only on a small portion of her upper hand where she said the gun touched her when she wrestled with the attacker (a detail she had mentioned before they did the test). So there was a transfer, but nothing else was found. She did not have the opportunity to clean her hands with the right product to erase all traces and she was tested pretty fast, contrary to many other cases. She had one arm totally out of commission. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. So it would be logical to conclude that it would have left residues if anyone had shot at least 6 times.
According to the state, the shooter was well inside the car and would have had gun powder on its clothing, body or hair if 3 people were shot in the car at close distance. The car was splattered with blood, but Diane had none on her. You can’t possibly shake off all the gun powder residue and avoid all the blood. They examined her clothes also.
And in doubt, you abstain.
It was obvious to the cops and the prosecution because they proceeded to get her daughter to testify against her because they had nothing to prove she was the shooter. Not even the gun.
“Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by ‘experts’.
I agree with your comment. But in this case, she had no blood on her body or her clothing. So she could not have shot her kids at the distance determined by the state unless she changed her clothing and it did not come up at trial. The interpretation of blood splatter is different than no blood splatter.
“You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane.”
Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. I mention in the blog that Diane’s mental health is in question so it is obvious that her encounter with her long lost daughter was going to be difficult. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. How do you expect the daughter to have any fair understanding of the situation or any decent contact with Diane’s family when the people who have been calling her mother a murderer and a monster are dragging her in the media spotlight in the hope of writing another book or getting a new scoop, but all one sided. They should have left her alone. What would have been the conclusion to have drawn without this hate campaign? Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downs’s family quietly and get the jest of it. Her daughter told the media she watched Small Sacrifices several times.
“You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story.”
I don’t care what Diane Downs says at the parole board hearing, except if she is innocent or guilty. She has been in prison for so long that we don’t know what her mental health situation is so it is a moot point for me. I care about what was said at trial. And I care about the lack of evidence. I care about the experts’ reports written about Diane because they know her situation and mental state.
And according to the law, she should have been released by now, independently of what she says or not. The only reason they kept her in prison even if she had all the right documentation and support, is because she is high profile.
“A slightly ‘humorous’ observation is that you said, and others have, that James Haynes ‘physically resembled the sketch.”
Once again, Diane said a lot of things. But the guy who said to several people that he was the shooter happens to resemble the sketch they came up with at the time for a reason. It’s a fact. But if you compare them, and if stranger there was, there are similarities but it is not dead on. So should I put an addendum saying that Diane contradicted herself or was not satisfied with the sketch? Or that the sketch did not resemble the suspect enough? If they could not find the gun or any trace of a shooting on Diane, and you think she’s guilty, it would mean she had an accomplice. So either way, it would not be so far fetched that someone said he was the shooter.A little investigation would not hurt. The cops admitted that they never investigated the tips about a bushy haired stranger.
You are not the only one who thinks she is guilty and I know that getting their ‘man’ at all cost is a popular mantra, but I disagree. You need real evidence in court.
What matters to me is that her rights were trampled during her trial. And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. What they did to her daughter is unconscionable.
They should have taken the time necessary to find enough evidence. If she was the shooter, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. And if the fact that cops lied about the gun to close the deal did not bother you, it bothered me because this is not due process. Without her daughter’s testimony and the lies about the gun, they could not have found her guilty in a fair trial.
I might not have put enough information to your liking, but I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule.
In reply to MARK
ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP
I appreciate the way you don’t try to determine guilt or innocence in your blogs but instead focus on due process and the right of all to a fair trial. Meaning a trial where lying or failing to disclose exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is not happening. In a perfect world this would always be the case.
This case certainly had its share of circumstantial evidence. The circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children demand to be used as evidence…..
My comment to you Lise is about your reply to a previous comment where you say Diane should have been released by now regardless of her statements. I don’t disagree, I just think it is another example of flaws in our justice system. Diane was sentenced to ‘life plus 50 years’. While that makes her technically eligible for parole at some point (in her case 2009) it does not actually mean she has an end date or a release date. In fact, with her continuing to deny committing the crime or expressing remorse, she may never get out.
Open ended sentences like this are meant to provide a means of control and public safety when considering dangerous offenders who may pose a continued risk to the public. Is Diane really a threat anymore? In her case it seems to be more a matter of punishment.
I also found it curious that when Diane was first eligible for parole she was allowed to apply every 2 years thereafter until she either gets paroled or dies in prison. But due to a law enacted in Oregon after she first became eligible for parole, she can now only apply every 10 years. This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive.
I personally don’t think she is innocent but that isn’t the point. The point is our trials need to be conducted fairly and based on evidence. Someone found guilty of a crime should have a sentence that can be served and not one that is contingent on the remorse shown. If a person were innocent of the crime they were convicted of this puts them in a no-win situation. it also isn’t right that the rules get to keep being changed after the fact as far as how often one may apply for parole.
My problem with the circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children is that they were twisted by the media. When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, it’s a red flag. She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. So obviously, she was the prime suspect.
Her character was also too much on the forefront. And once again, considering that she was diagnosed as bipolar, did not help her cause. But the fact that the prosecutor called her a deviant sociopath in court without any assessment became another nail in her coffin. Someone said to me that any of us, if scrutinized under a microscope, would come out looking pretty bad. So imagine when you are troubled to begin with.
Diane had met all the requirements to be paroled. And other inmates were released with worst backgrounds. At the time, among 49 prisoners denied parole, the board had given only four inmates, including Downs, a 10-year wait. So it looks and sounds like she is getting special treatment because of her notoriety. The board said that her mental or emotional disorder makes her a danger to society. They seem to say she was like that from the very beginning so in my opinion, it should represent a mitigating circumstance instead of a longer sentence
She had no priors and no history of violence in prison. And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. And she would have been under supervision. But showing no remorse is part of claiming her innocence and part of the vicious circle of parole hearings.
I know that most people think she is guilty. But I think that in all fairness, many of them don’t even know the details of the case and have watched Small Sacrifices instead. And even when confronted by the wrongful practices used at trial to get her convicted, are ok with her being locked up for life. It’s a dangerous proposition when a lack of due process becomes acceptable because they ‘know’ she is guilty. The detectives and the state failed to act properly and it should not be an accepted practice.
I am not her advocate, but I think she did not get due process. She should have had the lawyer of her choice and if they wanted to charge her with the crimes, they should have stuck with what evidence and circumstances they had. The fact that they used her daughter and lied about the gun they could never find makes it a wrongful conviction. No matter how horrible people think she is.
As you said, the system has to work for everyone and you can’t change the rules because a case is high profile without muddying the waters.
I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome.
I think u need to read the facts. She was not in the car when her children were shot. She says she was outside the car n watched the man shoot her children n then the only adult n person who could tell police about him only gets a shot in the arm n takes time to bandage her arm. U seem very one sided on every case Ann Rule has ever written just as u claim she did to u. N her parents didn’t want custody of the children just like the father. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. Was that Annes fault as well?
Tracy, I never said she was in the car. The person who shot the kids was leaning inside the car because they were shot at close range. I am not one sided. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular. The details about the gun missing, the daughter’s testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts.
I am not saying that Diane was a saint or Ann Rule a demon. Do not take this so personally. I don’t. I write about cases where due process is in question and important aspects were ignored or twisted.
The case was so one sided that it is about time some of us bring up the other side. By the way, Diane’s parents mourn the loss of their grandchildren to this day. They would have welcomed them with open arms.
I’m sorry but your article is tosh. Diane Downs changed her story so many times, even at her parole hearing. Diane Downs is guilty beyond any doubt and I do not believe that her daughter was coached. Fred Hugi is a man of the highest integrity and I hope that Diane’s surviving two children finally found the love and stability they had been denied by their natural mother.
I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. I also wish that Diane’s children have a great life. This article is about due process and the legal right to a fair trial for everyone. Diane Downs is no exception.
Lise,,,,, yes you did……. you quoted what diane said as to what happened ” When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm.” then later you ask how diane didn’t have any blood splatter on her when she was inside the car when she shot her kids??? this is your 2nd quote which contradicts the first one ….. Let’s not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. so which one is it?????
Libby, I quoted what Diane said. Then, they accused her of shooting her kids at close range. I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. It does not contradict what I said, but what they said. It simply states the facts of the case. Accused of – her side of the story – what the state says – how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed
I feel compelled to comment on this blog, because having recently read Ann Rule’s book, I feel exactly as you did. I had never heard of this case before I read her book (I’m not from or do not live in the USA), but I found myself constantly despairing at the authors unfounded judgements and wild suppositions. I was also stunned that she took the reports of all of Diane’s ( mostly married) ex lovers as absolute truth and never once questioned that they might have been lying and retrospectively minimising their feelings for Diane to protect themselves. What man has ever publicly revered a former secret mistress?
Christie was understandably all over the place and I agree that the way in which her statements were procured were very odd and seemed to be very “coached”.
The chief prosecutor adopting the children beggars belief!
I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. This is an extremely tragic case and her children at the very least deserve justice.
But Ann Rule’s utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here.
It seems that not being American might help us view the case and Rule’s narrative with more objectivity. Once you are vilified in the media in the US, the way Downs and others have been, a lot of people shut their eyes and their mind to any other possibility than what was presented in the court of public opinion. The fact that the accused in this case was atypical, makes her the perfect target.
I don’t know either if she is guilty or not, but I believe there is a reasonable doubt surrounding the circumstances. Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It was very unfair to raise them away from their grandparents and other blood relatives. How ironic that the court and cops were so quick to believe Steve Downs, but he gave up on his own children after the tragedy. Instead, the person accused of attacking them and wanting them out of her life, fought for them. That’s food for thought.
They believed the testimony of her former boyfriends who were far from stellar individuals. Ann Rule did not leave a great legacy as far as honest reporting goes, and she is not the only one to have commercialized a criminal case for personal gain. It’s more boring to tell the truth and the readers might not have flocked to read a fair story without no real heroes and villains.
Thanks for leaving a comment!
What mother takes her kids out at night and then stops for a stranger with her kids in the car? She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? Yes, I’m sure this stranger wanted to kill her kids but only wound her, who, coincidentally, had a towel handy neatly folded on her wound. No, I’m not that gullible
Okay, I just read that she “faked” throwing her keys. I still don’t buy her story. When you hear her in interviews she sounds more concerned with herself than her kids. Yes, she’s as guilty as Simpson
Hi Nanette, it is not a matter of being gullible. During a trial, we have to go with evidence only. The character of the accused is not the main ingredient, especially that in this case, there was a lot of bashing going on in the media and in court. A prosecutor inventing a new psychiatric category in court and labeling the accused is kind of unsettling.
There was a lot of evidence pointing at OJ. Blood, cuts, limo driver who saw him come in, the shoe print, the blood in the car and on the socks in his bedroom. It goes on and on. And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. It was a fairly new science at the time so that’s all it took to find him not guilty.
But in the case of DD, there were a lot of elements missing. Did she act like a average person? No. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. No gun, no blood or gun residue on her and if she shot them, these elements should have been there. It should have been investigated further. Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts.
In an earlier comment you stated that Diane had met all of the requirements for parole. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. Also I’m curious as to how you feel her repeated escape attempts should affect her ‘deserving’ to be on parole.
I think that the time she has served and her good behavior made her eligible for parole. She was a first time offender who has shown no violent tendencies and is afflicted with a mental illness. She would have been released under strict conditions with the support of her family and under the care of a mental health specialist.
Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Women’s Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. The media keeps talking about several escapes, but there was only one. It was half baked escape plans that were more in her head than anything and that the media enjoyed blowing out of proportions.
And she laughed at it by saying it was healthy to want to join the free world, especially if you proclaim your innocence. When they recaptured her, she was very docile. Being bipolar, she had no impulse control so it should not have surprised anyone. She never hurt anyone in the process of escaping.
When they assess the conduct of an inmate, what counts is mostly how she behaves inside through the years and if she shows violent tendencies. Downs was constantly provoked by inmates because of the nature of her situation, and she never once attacked or defended herself in a violent manner. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others.
It was cited that she keeps her emotions close to the vest. And to say that her mental health has degraded is an understatement, but more reason not to keep her eternally incarcerated.
The parole board in Oregon was asking to provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society and it had to be supported by a psychiatrist’s report or a Warden’s letter and Downs provided both.
High profile cases usually do not get the same treatment as regular folks. And if you claim your innocence, it obviously creates a vicious circle of not showing contrition.
Leslie Van Houten is an example of a woman who probably will never see the light of day because of her high profile status.
What about the son saying that man and nurses noting that
Thank you Lise. I had never heard of this case and fell upon several videos that had me completely convinced DD was a narcissistic psychopath. It seems that everyone commenting just “knows” she’s guilty, like you say. Seeing her giggle and laugh during a videoed reconstruction gave me, as a mother, a sickening feeling. BUT like you rightly explain, there was no real evidence of her guilt. I’ve been trying to decipher her handwriting on the couple of pages she wrote to her daughter (misquoted on here somewhere is a highlighted “If you love your little boy, you’ll take him far away from here”- why is this being taken as a threat and not a warning?!). I can make out “I will ask you to take a good look at the people in your life. Ask them what they did to a good man. How….. they attacked him. Then ask yourself if that’s how you want your son to grow up. Children imitate their parents’ every move. Can you imagine your little boy growing up to beat to death (with his bare hands and boots)… ” Is she referring to her ex husband? Why is there virtually no info on him? Also, aside from her original mental state, which may or may not excuse her “aloofness” (doesn’t prove she’s a killer by the way!), years in solitary confinment… What’s wrong with us?!
My website is in the process of being migrated so it has no photos. I am glad you read it anyway and I appreciate your comment. From what we know about Becky, she had chosen a difficult path and Diane was trying to warn her. But as usual, it was slanted in the worst possible way. Not that Diane’s mental health was not a factor in her letter, but it was definitely taken out of context in some instances.
In this article, we can clearly see that Becky struggled and tried to justify her woes (maybe rightly so) by blaming it on her DNA. But in my opinion, it shows how Diane was disturbed and could also have found a better path in life if given the chance and the right support. They made her out to be a monster, but in Becky’s case, it becomes redeemable. http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story
It sounds like Diane was trying to tell her to stay away from bad influences. And of course, she added her own brand of paranoia, which is to be expected considering her personality disorder and what she went through.
What’s wrong with the system is what’s wrong with us. Great question.
Diane doesn’t believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. So she warns her to stay away.
Just saw the video of Diane’s parole hearing. The crucial point is that she is so void of emotion. It’s more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now…
What a terrible injustice. Thanks again.
I agree. Her flat affect is even more pronounced now and it did her in at the time, but she was lucid enough to clearly see that Rule and the media used Becky for their personal gain. Sad situation.
There is so much to say about this blog I wouldn’t know where to start. This is basically the book best kept secrets in condensed form full of outlandish theories. Have you actually read the transcript of the trial?? Nearly every point you make here was addressed and disproved or not even allowed into evidence. It wasn’t simply her demeanor that got her convicted. The bushy haired stranger that police had gotten a lead on worked at the country club he was at work at that time and had a sever speech impediment. They were tons of witnesses that saw him at work. What got her convicted was two things the towel and Christie. She took care of herself not her children. That towel should have been soaked in their blood not hers. She folded it neatly around her arm. In a fairly good knot which would have taken time to do one handed and teeth. Christie was it though. There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many can’t believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. These are no “facts” it’s partial truths and conjecture. She’s where she belongs
There are no facts? The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. The absence of the gun or gun powder residues on Diane is fact. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. The tape of Christie and her adoption by the prosecutor are facts.
The towel and a girl who had a stroke, was separated from her family and was constantly questioned without being recorded or accompanied by a loved one and testifying to facts that do not match the testimony of the forensic expert is not being reduced to conjecture? The jurors had doubts. They said so and were told to go back to deliberate. It was never a slam dunk.
I think it posible she brought the kids there to be shot by someone else. May be the guy who says he did it. Just a thought.
No other shooter involved in her case. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. She should of been sentenced to death.
The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents.
Downs is a worthless as the day is long…..
Maybe you should read the blog before commenting. So the prosecutor adopted the kids? I didn’t know that.
I am publishing your comment because once in a while, I need to post the pitiful representation of true crime readers who made Anne Rule a rich author.
I am interested in the truth. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didn’t allow it. Insulting a woman in prison since 30 years instead of debating the inconsistencies of this case is pretty pathetic.
You didn’t know that?? Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. Devoting ur life to taking down a dead author is a waste of ur talents. Did u learn nothing??
Gosh Donna, you really don’t have a clue. I was being sarcastic. All of it is explained in the blog you didn’t bother reading. And by the way, I wrote the blogs about Rule way before she passed.
You’re correct I didn’t read your blog.
But you sure did comment like a true asshole, huh?
Nice to see this blog is still active in 2017, being a lot of ‘groups’…message boards and such, on subjects like this has no activity for years.
Anyways, I was 10 years old when this happened, I stayed with my aunt and uncle a lot in those years, in which they watched A LOT of nightly news programs….lol most of it was like white noise to me, as I would play with my barbies on their living room floor……but I do remember this story. It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. (Yes in the 1980s a ten yr like myself was not as mature as say today’s 10 yr olds. ..maybe it was lack of Internet and cellies *shrug)……..years later, my Co worker at burger King (I was 16)…told me about the small sacrifices movie she watched the night before. …she flat out says, “they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!”…..I’m like HUH…Okay now this is my favorite group…still is at 44yrs old….I had to investigate this. Ain’t no one gonna tarnish my guys lol. Unfortunately couldn’t really do anything at that point, as the movie was not VHS yet, it only aired that once…in late 89. I couldn’t get my hands on the book nor find anything in libraries……so basically it was many years later I dove into knowing more about this case, that kinda haunted me.
Of course I saw movie first, then read the book…I wanted more, sadly early Internet days, there wasn’t much out there, as far as info or video, pictures…nothing really. I went on ebay and ordered multiple stuff from the 80s, news footage, just to hear what she sounded like, because of all the talk in the book about her demeanor. I found nothing. ….well yay for youtube…lol..is when I first heard her in old interviews. Anyways. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in today’s world, with the evidence they had…quite possible it would of went differently……we been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence proven…probably over 10 years or longer, people expect trials to be that of a “law and order” TV show…..I can’t say that’s a bad thing, or makes what happened in the 80s on back bad.
Surely before Diane downs, there were other mothers who killed their kids..or allegedly did, however in 83 and 84 it made national news, nothing quite like it had come across the media world, which during that decade was really skyrocketing in sensationalism…I believe is where it started, becoming less news and more entertainment. Tis why at 10 years old I was hearing about this case in Ohio, and family members talked about it around me….it hit with great force that way. Now in hindsight, seeing footage on youtube, especially the interview she did with the reporter Anne Jagger, the things she says and facial expression is exactly described in the book…had to find the section in the book, but on that note, Anne rule did site that interview correctly. Also on old footage of the trial, as there was no cameras aloud, the drawing of Christie Downs from court artist also complies with the testimony given in the book, as far as her pain and crying. In the moment of ‘who shot you’…’my mom’……have a hard time believing that could be coached. I say these things if I were on the jury.
Again I go back to how times were back then. Mom’s were working more, we were becoming the latch key generation, as in we let ourselves in alone while still in elementary school….when I mentioned before about maturity of a 8, 9, 10 year old…we loved playing outside on bikes, and playing with our dolls, boys usually had their action figures..lol….and we loved our moms, even if they were young and liked to go out and sent us to babysitters…..the book and movie, I’m quite sure, over did the situation…..and I’m sure there was more on both sides, the family of diane, diane herself, but we’ll never know all the details. I base a lot on what I see and hear from her in her own words in footage of a 28 yr old woman. I actually can relate to things she did and was like, especially chasing after a guy that don’t want you…i did one night stands during my ‘chase’..to try to get over him…it’s was a dumb idea and really made things worse, but it made sense at the time. Just similar stuff….and that I guess, makes it easy for me to see how that song could of fueled her up….never underestimate the power if a song…..what feels intense and exciting to you, may not to another, but shoot, anytime I hear ‘pink floyd’ run like hell….takes me right back 1991 in the heat of my ‘chase’…..for me, I got the answers I wanted from 89 when my friend said that about the Duran song and it involved in that case. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did it…I think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map….again…just hearing it in her own words. And I’m really not on the fence the little girl was coached……I believe the ex husband , his freinds, and her lovers were invalid either way. The gun is Def a big issue, the style of gun, whether it belonged to him or her, she Def had access to it…the child drew a picture of it, having large similarity to that gun…but it did always baffle me how she could find such a great hide for it in such a short period of time. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the time…my sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. It does seem time has done worse to her. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. …I almost felt bad for her….that being she seemed so lost in her lies..she just hangs in limbo now.
I am a strong believer that pregnancy can do serious harm to some women. Most get through it fine, maybe some complications or pain, maybe even some post pardum. …but I think there are some extreme cases that knock women in a bad psychotic way that can be life threatening. Women who were somewhat normal begore, get pregnant, have the baby, then drown it a toilet, kill or beat the the baby in the first year..shaking or other means…..it’s less often then not…but better believe these type of cases are reported constantly now on social media. Diane downs. ..a little over year before the shooting had a surrogate baby…pregnancy and giving the baby away…um…it’s donno…it’s the gal already had a fragile mentality….may not have been the best idea.
Regina, I love your comment! Isn’t is odd how something we are exposed to as children can stick in our memory? I’m glad you continued to look for more information as time went on.
You make an interesting observation when you say: “Anyways. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in today’s world, with the evidence they had…quite possible it would of went differently… we been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence proven”
So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80’s, but is it really?
I agree that the verdict may have been very different. It could have been very different at almost any other time or with any other attorneys or juries too.
I like the way you keep an open mind about Diane herself and what she may or may not have been going through mentally. I agree about pregnancy and childbirth affecting women differently, and even having different effects for the same woman with different pregnancies. Very little is definitively known in this area.
I feel sorry for Diane too. Mainly because she is being kept caged due to her name recognition at this point, not her offense. Guilt or innocence no longer need to be debated in this case. Justice is all that is left. Is it just to continue to punish her so long after she is obviously no longer a danger in any way to anyone?
I know several people who know or knew both of the surviving children as well as Diane. You paint a picture that is actually inaccurate and misleading. Some of your ‘facts’ aren’t facts at all. The woman shot her children. She is a monster and belongs in prison for the rest of her life.
Then feel free to correct the facts and to provide evidence to support them. I know people who know or knew people is not a valid argument. But I am more than willing to review any new info.
I remember when Diane shot her kids and there are some facts I’d like to correct from your blog.
1. The lawsuit against Ann Rule was thrown out as unfounded because after reading her book they could find no inconsistencies She sat thru the entire trial AND used actual court transcripts.
2.Diane herself has stated that the shooter was outside the car and shot THROUGH the window, no blood spatter. 3. Gun shot residue is not always present. 4. Danny downs did indeed say a man shot him he also blamed a cartoon character. Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. (He WAS shot in the back remember).
4.Diane was NOT arrested for almost a year after the shootings the d.a. had to wait for Christie to be able to tell them who did it. 5. Christie NEVER said she didnt know who did it she was just unwilling or afraid to tell on her mother.
6. Diane herself stated Cheryl was asleep on the front floorboard completely covered up with Diane’s jacket how the hell did a stranger or a hitman(one of Diane’s OTHER stories) KNOW Cheryl was there. It was pitch black outside. (that one is more of a question).
Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. Oh 1 more thing I see a lot of comments on pro Diane web sights that say well she drove them to the hospital. Do you REALLY believe she expected them to live especially since she drove at less than 10 mph. (witness statement the gentleman who was behind her for at least 10 minutes)
Susan, I don’t know if there ever was a lawsuit against Ann Rule from the Fredericksons family. In my blog, I was referring to the case of Liysa Northon whose suit was dismissed, but when Ann Rule tried to sue the Seattle Magazine, its editor and Northon’s husband for their article on her shoddy work, she lost and had to pay restitution. Diane’s family could give you countless examples of the inaccuracies they found in her book.
It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. Diane’s story does not contradict that. The person leaned into the car. Whenever your shoot a gun that many times and that close to the victims, there’s going to be blood and powder residues.
Danny said several times that a bad man shot them and it was written in the nurses’ notes, but never that his mother shot him. Except after the idea was subsequently planted in his head only to be alluded to in court, in spite of an agreement to never mention the subject.
Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. She was the prosecution’s only hope. She was interrogated without a representative from the defense and was not taped for the most part. Nowadays, this insanity would never be tolerated.
If you shoot at least 6 inches from a victim, you see what is around you in the car.
I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect.
The timing of her arrival at the hospital should have been discussed and explained in more details. They said she was going slow but the time at which she arrived seems to indicate otherwise.
The fact that she drove there and it saved the life of two of her children should give anyone pause. She could have stayed on the side of the road.
In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. They never found the gun and she showed no signs of having fired one. They should have looked for a possible accomplice and checked all the leads. The way this investigation and the trial were conducted only left me with doubts. She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal.
I think that she has done enough time and should be released. If not from her high profile status, she would already be out.
Foote then handled the juvenile docket and first encountered Downs when he ordered her two surviving children into state protective custody. Because Foote was already familiar with the case, the presiding judge assigned him the murder trial after Downs was charged with the shootings.
(This is why Foote was assigned the case. No OTHER reason
What I explain in the blog is that the fact that Foote is the one who removed the children from Diane’s care is exactly why he should NOT have been presiding over her murder trial. It is called a conflict of interest. Plus, you do not let a newly appointed judge to criminal cases, preside over a high profile murder case when he has no experience whatsoever and has already prejudged the defendant dangerous to her children.
danny also said a cartoon character shot them…also he was “””””””SHOT IN THE BACK””””””” how could he see the shooter????????? did he have eyes in the back of his head.?????….the fact you are ignoring something SO OBVIOUS is a red flag
Exactly Libby – why did they say during the trial that he saw his mom? Why didn’t they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? Why did they let her daughter testify when she could not know who shot her and said so incessantly until they made her say what they wanted?
I can’t believe anyone even believes or even follows you. I’ve done my research. You seem to believe everyone is innocent. I just read your “opinion “ on the Pamela Smart case and the Scott Peterson case
Needless to say, you seem to have a problem with the American justice system…not each individual case.
For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her children’s lives that night. I lived through the media coverage. I followed the trial. I watched and worried through her escape…to “find” her children’s “real” attacker…that “bushy haired stranger “.
Let me tell you, it wasn’t just the investigators and the prosecution that didn’t believe her…we, Oregonians, (who ACTUALLY live here and watched what was happening) believe she is guilty. At that time…and now!!
We, who watched her parole hearing a few years ago prayed HARD that she wouldn’t be set free, know she is guilty.
This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. She. Is. Wrong.
This blogger thinks that if you had bothered reading the blogs that you just mentioned, you would know that I do not call anyone innocent. Except for Paul Cortez.
I state that it is not my place to judge innocence or guilt. I point out some obvious facts and discrepancies, and that due process was shoved aside because the state and the media presented a guilty image right from the start.
You do not refute any of the points I made in the blogs. The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. And what happened to her little daughter is beyond unethical. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality.
Being a patient of the doctor who saved the children’s lives has nothing to do with the facts of a case. If Oregonians were not all convinced at first, the media and the crown made sure they would be. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case.
Your prayers were answered. She is still in prison. It probably makes you feel so good.
Yes, like many Americans, I think that the US system is barbaric.
This blogger believes in the presumption of innocence and in the possibility of redemption.
If there is a fair trial and sentencing, I usually don’t write about a case, but high profile cases tend to need more scrutiny because emotions run high.
This is a fascinating and informative article that has answered some questions I had, and prompted others:
1. Instead of shooting the little kids, why didn’t the carjacker/killer (CK) simply shoot DD dead and take her car?
2. Why did CK shoot the kids multiple times and DD once?
3. How was DD able to get away from CK and get the keys back into the ignition without there being more attempts on her life?
4. CK allowed DD to drive away despite the fact she could identify him and he had a gun?
5. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away?
6. CK was willing to take, or attempt to take, the lives of 4 people in order to steal their car. He failed. So, were there any other attempted carjackings in the area that night? If not, why not? He needed, now more than ever, to vacate the area asap.
While these are all good questions, (and were maybe all asked in the jury room during deliberations) I doubt the answers even matter anymore.
My question is: why is she still locked up? If the answer is, ‘to keep the public safe’, then I call BS. If the answer is, ‘revenge’, then it has been achieved.
It has been long enough. Let her out.
Every single one of these questions matter. Every single one. I would love to hear your answers to them. Instead of talking about her being locked up for so long, answer some very legitimate questions regarding this case.
No. The answers to those questions do not matter anymore. I don’t believe there was a CK. I think she was the only one there that night with her children. What I believe doesn’t matter at all. There were many problems with her trial and that matters. If it doesn’t matter to you, it should. Everyone in the world can ‘believe’ something. That doesn’t make it true. A fair trial is a right in this country, not a judicial suggestion. Let’s not take that lightly.
I talked about her still being locked up, all these years later, because I really want to know— is it because we believe she will commit more crimes or is it because we need more revenge? It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole?
The reason she is likely locked up is because she was diagnosed with narcissistic, histrionic and anti social personality disorder, that makes her a very dangerous person (especially since she is a murderer). Considering that the daughter she murdered will never get a second chance, it will never be long enough unless it’s for her entire life. After all, Cheryl Down’s is basically serving a life sentence with no possibility of “parole” for her mother’s crime.
This is not the reason she is still locked up. It is because she is a high profile person. They rarely get a break.
In case you did not read the blog: ”During Diane’s examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a ‘deviant sociopath.’
In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. The definition of ‘deviant sociopath’ does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. (her family confirmed that she had a mood disorder, possibly bipolar 2)
As soon as Diane was found guilty, Hugi demanded that Diane be evaluated by a psychiatrist before sentencing so they could declare her a dangerous offender and give her a stiffer sentence.
Strangely enough, a woman who was seen for 8 months by a psychologist and declared to be in shock and suffering from a mood disorder, would now be assessed by the ‘State hired psychiatrist’ to confirm the label Hugi conveniently made up during trial. And Hugi seemed pretty sure he would get what he was asking for.
So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a State’s rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis.”
While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? Our laws are not written that way. Only the people who present ongoing threats to the safety of the public in general are the ones this sentence is reserved for. Diane has not been deemed an ongoing public threat that I am aware of.
I think you may be right that she is likely still locked up due to her diagnoses of antisocial, histrionic and narcissistic, but again, no one would care and this crappy diagnosis wouldn’t have been bought and paid for if not the high profile nature of the case. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. She is supposed to be locked up for murder, etc.
Let’s also remember that this is the US of A and we don’t lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. We make them president.
Lori, I luv how you ended your comment “Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we don’t lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. We make them president”!!!! So appropriate! I believe DD’s case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. And she should be allowed parole!
To Lori
How asinine. Will Cheryl ever be “let out” of her grave?
There is only one major problem with your scenario. I saw footage of Diane herself laughing during the re-enactment of the crime. I was raised by an evil narcissist and have not only seen this kind of behavior before, but I have seen the face of the devil and it is a look of pure evil that gives me the creeps. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. It isn’t there all the time. Usually it isn’t there but every once in awhile, it comes out. It’s as if they can’t control it. I like to believe the best about people too but there are certain things that absolutely can’t be ignored.
This is not my scenario Tasha. It is a research done on the case according to many sources. Legally speaking, we do not go after people because they look evil or crazy. It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. In the blog, there is a link on the subject of bipolar people who tend to laugh at the wrong time. Diane was diagnosed as being bipolar and subsequently diagnosed by a psychiatrist before sentencing. It is in the blog. Someone can have an evil vibe and not be guilty of a crime. Or can have an accomplice. Or be mentally ill. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. I think that you are right about certain things not being ignored. Nobody ignored Diane’s demeanor. But they tended to ignore other important aspects.
I am a firm believer of where there is smoke there is fire. Regardless of the facts you point out, there is no doubt in my mind that Diane Downs is guilty. The fact that she was driving five miles per hour to the hospital says it all – as a mother myself, I don’t care how hurt or mentally damaged I was, I would drive that car 100 MPH to get my children to safety. That single fact collaborated by a witness, convicts her for me. The weird behavior (laughing and joking in the shooting reenactment), bullets found at her home and the constant changing of her story only is icing on her guilty cake. On a side note, what do you think of parole of Leslie Van Houton?
I think that Van Houten was recommended for parole by a system that assessed that after 40 years, she was not a threat to society and a reformed woman. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. I hope she is granted parole. But the high profile nature of the case might hinder the process.
I think that looked at through a more objective lens, many aspects of the Downs’ case are highly questionable. The ballistics, gun, speed at which she drove the car, her demeanor, etc. A new trial would be out of the question, so to me, parole would be the solution. But I am realistic. The kind of TV series that they produce on high profile crimes will make sure to turn public opinion. Crime is entertainment and big money so this case will continue to be on the forefront and the same assumptions will be repeated over and over again.
It is my hope that Leslie Van Houten and Diane Downs are never paroled. You can believe what you like. Makes no difference to me. But I am so tired of the “enough time “has been served and other criminals have been paroled. I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. But before you get too deep into the drug stuff with Van Houten, she chose to take drugs. she chose to stay with Manson and his misfits. I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. Van Houten has made her choices and needs to own up to her actions and stop putting all the blame on drugs and Manson. As for Diane, give me a break. Our legal system is not perfect. But for what it is worth, I believe she tried to kill her 3 kids.
As you might know, Diane’s father passed away after many years of anguish over the fate of his daughter. So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry.
For all my life I have thought I was not that smart, but now I can tell myself, hey cheer up could be worse. Much worse. LMFAO!!!!
I don’t know that it could get worse than writing an asinine comment on a restorative justice website that states that only respectful and constructive comments will be posted. If you had commented on one of the elements contained in the blog, it might have been enlightening. But saying that you are not very smart is useless. We already know that.
I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. Not giving you free reign here. Go to the hate groups for that. By the way, this not a ‘Diane Downs is innocent blog.’ It is a ‘lets examine the facts of the case with hindsight and try to explain some of the inconsistencies and the role of the media and crime writers.’ And lets wonder why the US think that letting people die in prison is the answer when most civilized countries have reached other conclusions.
In 1992 I became involved in this work following my interest and research into a notorious murder trial that was held in Oregon many years ago. This was the prosecution and conviction of (Elizabeth) Diane Downs who has now been incarcerated for too many years in one of California’s (overcrowded) State prisons. Mind: Wrongful convicted. I am also engaged in other wrongful convictions that have taken place within the US.
Re Diane Downs I invite reading Synopsis quite similar to above: “OREGON’s Juridical Small Sacrifices”
http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf
I like your approach. I think DD is guilty, but I also think her trial was far from due process, and that is the important issue.
I am not from USA, never have been there, but my impression is that in USA media are far more powerful than the justice system and rational thinking is crushed by easy emotional moods, stereotypes and a hunger for violence coated in a pompous moral attitude. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it.
Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread.
Back to DD, I think she suffered some kind of mental breakdown, her account of the facts was never reliable, all the case appears murky, which points to an incompetent handling of the situation by the police and justice system. It seems they all went the easy way.
Your blog is very interesting.
Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings’ in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon.
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php
Late Tom Billings had been the first who openly questioned Diane Downs guilt. And he grew up there.
Further: Wonder about Justice in Nation with world wide highest prisoner rate. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism…. http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html // Prison-happy U.S. must reconsider use of mercy; Carol S. Steiker, professor at Harvard Law School, Sep. 10, 2008 , http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html // US Prison Population Soars to 2.3Mln People at Annual Cost of $7Bln The US prison population has soared to 2.3 million people costing the government more than $7 billion per year. http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC // The Prison State of America – Dec 28, 2014 Chris Hedges, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228
and so on
Thanks for posting for readers. I had visited Dr. Billings site several times and it is too bad that it was removed. I am glad that some articles remain. I also found it interesting that when he had visited Diane in prison, he had remarked a strange air about her; which did not mean guilt. People can have a certain vibe and act out of the norms, but it does not make them necessarily guilty.
The US is a very strange bird when it comes to crime and punishment. Modernism mixed with Medieval state of mind. The american system often reminds me of what Charles Dickens talked about in his novels. During his travels, he visited prisons and spoke against this type of barbarism because his father was imprisoned for a debt of 40 pounds and 10 shillings when he was twelve years. They now throw people in prison in the US for debts. Their life without parole sentences are a dime a dozen and so randomly used that it beats any notion of justice for all. It always feels like punishment at all costs. The notions of humanity and rehabilitation have been left on the wayside long ago.
Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. They now have social media arenas reminiscent of the Romans cheering at the sight of a thumb down meaning there will be a bloodshed.
I agree on many points with your comment. Being interested in a subject without bringing emotions to the table is always the most important step. This is what I try to do when I research a case that was deemed to be a ‘slam dunk’. They rarely are, especially in the US. You hit the nail on the head by stating that in the US especially, they “seem to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it.” It has become entertainment and there can only be good, bad and evil. Like in their movies. When a white attractive woman like Diane Downs appears on the scene while displaying seemingly ‘unpleasant’ characteristics as a mother and a personality disorder, there is no telling what the media will do with the story. I am quite bothered by what happened in that courtroom and in the media. It surely was not due process.
No matter how much I’ve read, or how many of her constant at the time interviews I watch on YouTube, the things that come from her brain to her mouth never cease to amaze me. While Rules book is biased, it was a look into the view of those who wanted justice for those children, wether you agree w/ their conclusion or not, that was their goal. Nobody had any reason for a conspiracy of this magnitude over a literal nobody. Did you read her statements to the parole board in 2008? I enjoyed your take, and agree their are several reasons with this, and let’s be honest…every other case ever prosecuted, to take pause and question… but Diane continues to lie, make up brand new stories about people after her, and has made no moves to better herself in any way shape or form while she’s been in prison, by her own admission. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. Her power to manipulate is why she is where she is to begin with.
I am sorry but I got to laugh a little. I don’t know the woman. If she was such a manipulative person, she would not be in prison for life, would she? I have watched her parole hearing. It is not my point. Of course, her mental health has deteriorated. More reason to have investigated the case more thoroughly.
I have researched the case and pointed out discrepancies and the fact that it was not the slam dunk that they were portraying.
I would like to see her released because I do not believe in life without parole for any inmate with no priors who had a good conduct while incarcerated. Do not forget that she got letters of support from a warden and psychiatrist. Her family supported her. We will never know what really happened because the authorities acted too hastily and the media was a huge hindrance. And if she did it, she has served her time without displaying any violent tendencies whatsoever.
If you are not bothered by lack of due process and a prosecutor making up psychiatric labels and adopting kids from a defendant or a judge who gets promoted from family court to criminal court to hang Diane, I am sure bothered by it.
I am not biased. I do not declare her innocent. I have simply bothered researching the evidence and in some instances, the lack of it. It was not the right gun. They lied about the ballistics. They hardly investigated any other lead after a couple of weeks. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. She was not given one inch of presumption of innocence.
Rule made up stories to sell books and the rights to a movie. I have no dog in this race. I research cases that in my opinion, were poorly tried. I have nothing to gain and I am not making up songs and dances about a unicorn. Everything I outlined should be public knowledge. Nothing came from Diane herself. Some cases are so one sided that you feel like exposing or at least, discussing the other side.
At first I thought she did it, now I made further research and I don’t know what to think. The whole case is crazy.
The trial was a whole miscarriage, that seems undeniable. Now if the shooter was this James Haynes guy, someone who apparently Diane Downs knew from buying drugs, then that would explain why she stopped in the middle of that road. Maybe she wanted to buy drugs. Of course buying drugs with three kids in the middle of the night from a guy like that is not the mindful thing to do, but would be more consistent as an explanation for her actions.
Now Diane Downs did not say any of this, but told a hard to believe story, and then changed it from one to two masked guys, etc. Maybe she didn’t want to admit she was there for drugs, but you need a really tiny brain to worry about that in such a situation. She said a bunch of really stupid things in the media (“my kids were lucky, not me…” gets the palm) and basically bury herself. Seems like she was her worst enemy.
Apparently drug mafia wanted to punish her for messing her nose in forbidden places, not because she was getting any real business in that but simply because she had one of the poorest judgements a person can have. She always seems to have not a very close contact with reality.
In the end, it is scary how media becomes some kind of Roman circus where people is thrown in order to become a source of business.
I agree. It is not a run of the mill case. Mostly, because it was poorly investigated and they focused on Diane solely the minute they met her. There were good reasons to look at this mother, but the detective admitted on the stand that they stopped looking at anyone else after two weeks and the stranger on the road became a joke.
I mean if a guy admits to killing children over and over, shouldn’t we pay attention to that?
The problem with high profile cases is that the media, the DA, the cops and authors like Ann Rule dictate the narrative and it becomes almost impossible to look any other way unless you are a critical thinker devoid of emotions related to the case. And when kids are hurt, emotions keep flowing endlessly.
Many troubling elements of the case were discovered after the trial, but there was enough during the proceedings to be asking questions. Her persona allowed them to build this ironclad narrative when in fact, it was far from definite.
Hello. Is it too late to respond to this?
The case is old and the blog dated, but it is never too late to respond.
I would like to raise the numerous issues with this blog. The strong, emotive language. The underlying basis of this article. The lack of balance and objectivity.
I’m from Australia and have recollections of this case. I’ve not seen the movie or read the book. I also grew up in as time of the most infamous case in Australia’s judicial history: Lindy Chamberlain and the dingo stole my baby. It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. So I start with that bit of history in mind.
I’d like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. Which is itself a redundant practise: the blogger repeatedly states that Downs should be released. I’m sure nothing I write will change that. Also, the title of the website clearly demonstrates an inherit bias. I’d have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico.
Sorry, my issues with the blog:
It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it: opinion, not fact
If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation: bipolar wasn’t a diagnosable condition at the time of her first trial. It was known as Manic Depression.
The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb: opinion, not fact
It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession: inflammatory
Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture: relevance?
One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children: relevance?
They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business: argumentative
Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial: speculation
Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. It appeared rigged: Rigged? Inflammatory and speculative
A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. Speculative.
Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. The definition of ‘deviant sociopath’ does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent.
There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced: Why is it not admissible? Why does the blogger not clarify this?
It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. Mission accomplished: Relevance?
Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rule’s books, would you find such fantasy: Relevance?
Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom: “I guess”? Speculative.
If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago: speculative
I’ll stop there. This blog is riddled with inconsistencies, suppositions and a lack of the most basic referencing (e.g. statement regarding the effects of the children’s medications while in hospital should acknowledge where the blogger obtained information about the side effects.)
When analysing this blog, look at three statements from the blogger:
Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts
I think that the US system is barbaric
My beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule
I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule
One could argue that this blog does not stick to “what came out at trial”.
The blogger continues, “I am not one sided. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular”: this blog is clearly one sided.
Ultimately, the blogger is entitled to their opinion as is everyone else. My comment won’t change their opinion on the barbarity of the American legal system, media influences and Ann Rules input. And that’s fair enough. But if the blogger is arguing that the blog is balanced and objective, that’s patently untrue.
Thank you.
How interesting. Comments about the title of the website, the blogger, the bias, details like the word bipolar and when it was used when cyclothymic disorder was diagnosed by the person who treated the subject and there is an affidavit posted. The diagnosis of the psychiatrist for the state is also clearly documented. Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. It is documented in the blog where I give the source ” In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the ”Anatomy of Brainwashing” that can answer any question on this subject. This was all logged in Christie’s hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.”
This website supports restorative justice, so of course it leans towards sentences that are not life without parole if it is supported by a warden and mental health specialists. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case.
What about the facts of the case? You seem to care about my opinion and perception of some elements of the case and how the media poisoned the well in this instance, but what about the trial? Why aren’t you debating the faulty ballistics, and the fact that the gun they affirmed was used in the commission of the crime was not the right one? What about the fact that they never found the gun? That they did not test the outside of the car? That she had no blood or gun powder anywhere when she allegedly shot at close range? That her child was basically forced to admit that she saw her mom shoot them? Diane wanted to wait for her daughter to feel better, be accompanied by an expert and have the meetings taped? It sounds pretty fair to me. Doing it without witnesses when she was so sick is underhanded. Something that would never stand in court now. What about the judge stopping a defendant from getting a new attorney? Removing the children from her and presiding over her criminal trial? No conflict of interest there? No conflict of interest from a prosecutor adopting a defendant’s children 2 years after the fact? Speculative? Yes, but it is a fact that she was starting to say that she did not know who shot them when it happened.
You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation.
The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. But it is not hard to see that the way this tape and her confession were obtained was not legitimate. A sick kid who had a stroke and traumatized being pressured for weeks to remember her mother killing her? Not hard to go there. Plus according to an expert at trial, her testimony did not match the blood spatter analysis in the car. It was also said at trial that the shooter would have been left handed, which was not the case for Diane. They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. Wasn’t it speculative on their part? And Ann Rule said that the unicorn that was omnipresent in court was part of the premeditation. Not speculative?
What about the affidavits of the guy who confessed to several people? Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? The fact that Diane’s injury was way more serious than they tried to pretend? Any thoughts on that? And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christie’s reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? Any thoughts on that?
Her trial was speculative and based on so many fallacies. The unicorn, the song, her personality. She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence.
No one bothered with these details so I did. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. That’s the problem with high profile cases. They are set in stone and people refuse to see it any other way. I try to bring up the elements that were totally ignored. I am not saying she is innocent. I actually do not know what really happened. But I know that there were major problems with this case. I am pointing them out. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. Any thoughts on how the detectives basically made up their mind right away in spite of numerous tips coming in? And the state refusing to turn them over to the defense? How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics?
If you think you would have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico, why bother? I always welcome new information, evidence and opinions if they have a strong base and are not mean spirited, but I don’t get the relevance of this comment to the case itself.
In fact, I am surprised that people are not flabbergasted by the way this case was handled and tried and that what bothers them most is that I try to discuss it in a blog and dare defending this woman.
In reply to Nick.
You hit the nail right on the head.
So not addressing the content of the blog and rambling about everything else while asking for a disclaimer is nailing it?
Basically, I don’t believe the site owner has produced enough proof of anything. And some are even contradictory: she’s mentally ill, but also not mentally ill; the site owner wants to focus on pure facts, yet ignore other facts; things happened in court, but those are irrelevant to what else what also happened in court, etc. There’s a lot to be said here, still.
Hi Lise
Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? As I stated towards the beginning of my response, I’m taking issue with the blog and the subjective language used. I’m not arguing the facts of the trial, and I’m not about to.
“The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is”. Again that’s opinion, and neither balanced nor objective.
If you want to defend Diane Downs, more power to you. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. I think it would give the blog more integrity and transparency.
Cheers
That says it all. I do not have to state anything at the beginning of the blog. You said yourself that the title was revealing. It took a lot of time to research this case and present the other side of the coin. I do not have to put any statement advising people that I am about to present the neglected aspects of the trial. I go through every new finding and I point out what was done at trial that did not respect due process. I cannot be more transparent than that and integrity was one of the missing pieces of the entire case. Too bad it triggered you, maybe try to stay away from sites that might not go along with the mob mentality and usual media narrative.
Thanks Lise
I was just offering an opinion.
I’m all for justice, reviewing facts and overturning corrupt decisions. For example, the abhorrent decision regarding Keli Lane:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.whimn.com.au/talk/news/why-i-think-keli-lane-should-not-be-in-prison/news-story/069a09c79589645c48de5bfa91e4ca0f
I am all for reviewing facts and getting a decision overturned in cases of corrupt decisions, and many people are on your side and find these cases totally worth their time. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not ‘likable’. If I feel that due process was violated, I will go there anyway. It will not make me popular, but I don’t mind.
The picture is Cheryl, not Christie.
Tina, if you look at family pictures of the Downs, Christie is the eldest and this is her picture. You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M:
In reply to Tina Holecheck
If you’re talking about the picture in the blog that is labeled as Christie, it is Christie.
It really doesn’t matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because it’s so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. By the way, that interview with Christie by a biased advocate named Angel borders on abusive. Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders – she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. Diane needs some serious spiritual advancement and atonement before she ever will have or deserve peace.
Due process always matters. Everything matters in a trial and investigation. It was faulty. No excuse there.
I agree that the phone call from Angel was totally inappropriate. I mention in my blog that when her adoptive dad said that she was coerced and that’s why she said she did not know who shot them, that of course she was because this is what she does when under pressure. This is also what the state did to her. Two wrongs do not make a right but illustrates that she should have never been coerced before, during or after the trial.
You say she made more of a fuss about her arm than about the injuries her children sustained. You were not there and one thing I have learned about high profile cases, is that you cannot always believe what the media, biased detectives and Ann Rule have to say. She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids.
Spiritual advancement and atonement? All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. You don’t get any kind of advancement or rehabilitation in prison. But I would not know what her state of mind is because I did not witness it. Her release was recommended by a warden and a psychiatrist. She has an excellent conduct report and never reacted violently to any of the harassment from other inmates. She has come a long way. Everyone deserves peace. Not our place to decide.
I never read the Ann Rule book, but saw Small Sacrifices as a kid and have had an interest in this case ever since. Thank you for presenting a side of the story & case apart from the usual narrative.
There are many cases where investigators jump to conclusions either because in their gut they “think they know” or pressure to make an arrest…and i guess with all the attention this case got they gave their gut and the public what they wanted. (Yes, speculative). Diane may very well be guilty, but YIKES this investigation and trial seemed so butchered and tilted in the prosecution’s favour.
An earlier commenter wrote that it doesn’t matter that the trail or the investigation was faulty…WHAT !?
Yes, isn’t it shocking that some people would voice that a faulty investigation does not matter?
The reason I’m harsh is because I’ve detected that you’ve paid for this site and therefore can’t be wrong. And yes, it’s your site, but don’t act like a site is open for discussion if it’s not. If that’s what you want then don’t pretend it’s anything but. Otherwise you just want people to fill your echo chamber that agree with you, tell anyone else “you obviously don’t want to debate me……..”, then ban, then hope for people to agree.
Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. You simply are a rude individual looking for a reaction. I do not post rude comments. You do not debate the content of the blog which you probably did not read anyway. You read a few comments. If you had, you would clearly know that I do not claim her guilt or innocence. Guilty or not, the case was handled with prejudice and many errors occurred. I simply state facts that did not or would not come out at the time or blatant misconduct from a legal system that is supposed to be based on innocent until proven guilty. Simply because I researched them. If you have an opinion on drugging a child to make her talk, a judge presiding over a criminal case when he was in family court and removed the children from the defendants or the forensics, ballistic, etc. please express them and I will print them.
When your goal is to call me dude, insult my name and trash my blog, you can go on other sites who will love to spar with you while swallowing the old narrative of high profile cases. But you are right to say that it is my site. And on this site, I mention that I take a restorative approach. It is not a hatefest and I do not wish death or life without parole on anyone. I accept that it is sometimes necessary but I believe in rehabilitation. So move on.
Take your smugness elsewhere, at long last. It’s tiresome.
Hey Jace, I was not going to post your insulting comments but I decided to let the last sentence fly so that I could answer it. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. The last time I checked, it is my website and if you find it tiresome, no one is inviting you to stay or read the content; which you evidently did not read anyway.
I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. It is beyond belief that the State of Oregon allowed the prosecutor to adopt those children. HUGE conflict of interest. It would never happen today…never. Completely unethical, and not in the best interest of those children. #corrupt
To Lisa Griggs
Right?? I was always really bothered by that. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence?
I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldn’t acknowledge you email address. Are you still taking comments by email? I wanted to ask you something on this case.
Yes, I usually answer the emails I get about the blogs. I changed the site’s email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com
Is it the one you tried to use?
I found your blog to be very well written, informative and interesting. I especially loved reading everyone’s comments. I look forward to reading your other blogs. As a suggestion, I would love to see a ‘like’ or ‘dislike’ button for each comment. Or maybe an ‘upvote’/‘downvote’ arrow for each. (LOL!!)
Interesting suggestion. A reader told me that I should have a website with all the comments. If I included the ones I don’t post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. Probably a 911 button. lol
Great blog post, thank you. I am a Mortuary science student, true crime fanatic, and have been following the Downs case since it happened. I lived in Eugene, Oregon for years.
The case NEVER made sense to me. No forensic evidence pointing to her, just conjecture based on how mothers should act.
Reasonable doubt is most certainly lacking. I wish she could get a new look.
I’m not saying I know for a fact in my mind she’s innocent…but there is NOT enough evidence for her to be guilty. No way.
Ann Rule has always been sensationalist, and her books were almost unreadable at the end of her publishing days.
Thanks again.
Thanks Kit, It is a bit of a mystery to me that not more people see that if we removed the high profile name and the accompanying media storm, the case was no slam dunk. Or that they are not even curious about it. Even more now with hindsight because of the gun and the fact that her daughter kind of recanted by demonstrating that if pushed, she will say what is expected of her.
In reply to Kit
Agreed. And…the DA adopted her other two children. What?? In what world is that O.K. I worked for county government child welfare for a decade. Conflict of interest on steroids!!
In reply to Lisa
That conflict of interest alone would incline Christie to testify against her mother. I can’t believe that it was allowed to happen, actually. If you listen to the recording, Christie clearly says “I don’t know who did it.” She was asleep, that’s why. This whole case is flawed. The forensic evidence alone is absolutely weak. Where is the blood spatter on Diane? The GSR?
But there is forensic evidence pointing to Diane Downs. The casing from the bullets exactly matched, just like a fingerprint, the bullets that Diane had in her home from her own gun which was never found. Evidence from a ballistics expert. Hardly circumstantial or coincidental – what are the chances that a bushy haired stranger, masked men, or someone that knew her (take your pick from Diane’s ever shifting account) would have the exact same bullets matching to bullets from a gun owned by Diane ?
I refer you to this section of the blog: ”They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Diane’s rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not match and the detective lied on the stand about it. Click here to read about faulty ballistics.”
It is not, nor should be, a ‘Conflict of Interest’ for a caring adult to Foster one or more siblings. I have worked in Child Protection for over 20 years and have extensive experience in this field domestically and internationally. Contemporary family finding principles argue that a child is best nurtured by parents, then immediate family members, extended family members, spiritual family (Godparents), close friends, etc. If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. The fact that the Hugi’s did so successfully is arguably proof of this. There is also a critical shortage of Foster Carers internationally, so that the Hugi’s offered to take the children in could be viewed as altruistic.
Despite all of this: that the attorney became a Foster Carer irrelevant, inflammatory, subjective and bears no reflection on the trial, or indeed the trial outcome. It should be removed from the blog. It is not, as the blogger frequently refers to, evidence.
From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a “dangerous offender”. Therefore, my understanding is that the original sentence is deemed indefinite with parole hearings every 10 years.
Thank you
Mark Dee
I will not remove anything. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. They removed them and proceeded to interrogate the poor girl until she gave them what they needed. They were in foster care for two years before the prosecutor adopted them. This is a conflict of interest. Diane had siblings and parents. The children had a father. They never tried to reunite them with family. Instead, they treated the Downs with great cruelty long after their daughter was incarcerated and they fought hard for them. They did not want reunification to keep their verdict intact.
I know several foster parents and social workers. The goal is always to keep family ties intact. Not in this case. The judge who took away her children presided over her criminal trial. Another conflict of interest. It is not because a defendant is found guilty or disliked that it is acceptable to bend the rules.
I read the letter they sent to the Downs when they were fighting to see their grandchildren. They were treated very badly in this matter.
Oh my. Where to begin? The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. The fact that the DA adopted the children, since it was after the trial, is more of a gray area. It could be argued that he developed a relationship with the children and genuinely wanted them to join his family. I would like to believe this is the truth. He still shouldn’t have been allowed to adopt them while the appeals process was ongoing, if he had any role in those cases. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. What this is evidence of is one more piece of the overwhelming amount of bias that was involved from the start of the case.
The blog I read is all about the improprieties and flat out misconduct in Diane’s trial (and the way Ann Rule profited off of it with fiction). Diane did not get a fair trial. This does not make her innocent. She was found guilty. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? We can’t. The DA adopting the children is an integral part of this and definitely needs to be included in the blog. It’s a rather large part of the story. Hugi got the “evidence” needed to convict after numerous meetings with Christie. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? We don’t know. That’s the point. If he was getting too close to the witness emotionally he should have stepped away from the case. He could then have initiated the licensing process to foster and then adopt the children. Anything less is a conflict of interest.
In reply to Mark Dee
The fact that the children were in no way protected by Child Protection Services is undeniable. I do not believe that this type of abuse would occur today. They should have had ongoing contact and been placed with family as soon as they were out of the hospital and they never should have been interviewed without their own attorney (Guardian ad Litem) present. The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. If appropriate family members could not be found to take placement of the children then family friends are the next step. Only after these avenues are exhausted should non-relative placement be looked at. You have that part absolutely right, so why was this protocol ignored? The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals.
Many individuals associated with the the child welfare system, for one reason or another, choose to adopt children. It is normally done (in fact in many jurisdictions, can ONLY be done) by going through the process in a different state or county then the one the applicant works with. This is to avoid the conflict of interest that we read about above.
Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. If she did have memories of the actual shooting, that would be very rare.
I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. WTF? Those cases shouldn’t have been in the same court let alone presided over by the same judge.
Nothing in this blog claims Diane is innocent. (I know that wasn’t brought up this time but it usually is.) The whole blog claims the trial was flawed. It was flawed. One of the flaws was the relationship between the DA and the children.
So Mark, where are you from? ‘Foster Carers’ says either Australia or England to me. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. I am just curious.
According to your own experience Lori, don’t they try to give grandparents custody or at least access in cases comparable to this one? It seems that the Downs were totally ignored.
This is what Mrs Downs had to say about the situation. She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system.
”After the trial that convicted Diane Downs, Fred Hugi, the Prosecutor adopted Christie and Danny (they were in foster care for 2 years before he decided to adopt them), the two surviving children. That hurt our family deeply. Why was no one in the family given the right to adopt them. This was very stressful. Nevertheless, what was done seemed out of our hands and we could have no contact with them at all. That didn’t seem right so we wrote a letter to Mr Hugi with a request for visitation rights. He had an attorney, Fred G. Campbell Jr., send us a letter denying our request and telling us: “You are legally, as well as factually, a stranger to them.” Who does he think he is? Wasn’t he the stranger? I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. My opinion of why Mr. Hugi adopted Christie and Danny was to seal their lips.”
If Hugi got attached to the children, why did he wait 2 years when little Christie was starting to say she had no clue who shot them? And if he really was attached to them and wanted to offer them a permanent home, it means he was unfit to be the prosecutor in this case. Either way, it appears to be a conflict of interest.
Wow. This whole tale is just unbelievable. For the children to be legally free for adoption a termination of parental rights had to occur. Maybe dad relinquished, it sounds like he may have. Diane clearly would have had to have had her rights terminated by the court. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. In fact, if appropriate family is found, termination is not required. The court can just do an APR, Assignment of Parental Rights. This is a more common route for children with parents who are incarcerated for what looks to be the entire childhood of the children. It means you don’t orphan the kids. They don’t need to be adopted and have their entire identity changed. They are still part of their birth family. This is also a faster route to give the children permanency, and is far cheaper for the child welfare system that is always strained by the budget.
I bet the records are and always have been sealed regarding this aspect of the case. Child Protective Services takes confidentiality to the extreme (warranted in most cases). I don’t understand how the family court managed to isolate 2 severely traumatized and grievously injured children from their entire family. I mean, yeah, I can see the no contact order with Diane. Of course. Until the end of the trial. The rest of the family? That is pure bullshit. What was the justification? The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? How about dad’s side of the family? Were they involved in the plot too??
I wasn’t there and the records will never be brought to light as far as the child welfare case. But why was the judge in family court hopping over to criminal court? That makes no sense. This happened in 1983, not 1893. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court… I don’t believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all.
My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Diane’s case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. The children were in the hospital, it isn’t like they could have taken them home. Then they just got shut out. It wasn’t their fault, it was the job of the social workers and the courts to make sure the kids were not isolated from family. Clearly the social workers were working with the DA’s office and taking advice on “best interest” of the children from them. In hindsight I’m sure the grandparents wish they had pursued visitation more aggressively.
As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. He should have let someone else handle the case or let someone else adopt the kids. As an adoptive parent I can’t even imagine trying to justify to my daughter our adopting her if we had in any way been a part of the case to terminate her from her bio family. Seriously. Messed. Up.
Like I said, the 2 years make it a bit more of a gray area. Hugi didn’t rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. 2 years in foster care waiting to be legally free for adoption is not that uncommon even today. Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. Mainly because the courts have to give every chance possible and all the services necessary to the bio family to try to preserve the relationship. It sounds like this was not the case with Diane’s children. The time was spent waiting for the clock to tick down the final seconds for all appeals to the parental termination to be allowed.
We don’t know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. That is not a quick process and is very invasive to a family’s privacy. They went through the process which demonstrates a certain level of commitment in itself. Doesn’t change the fact that it was still a conflict of interest. The bio family should have been given the same opportunity to see the kids and demonstrate their ability to be the guardians. The kids were shorted-changed. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court.
Lise do you know if the kids have ever reached out to the grandparents/family in the last few years? Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago…)? Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. I hope they have.
Yes, dad relinquished his rights but he knew that they loved their grandparents and had allowed Diane to take them for a visit without telling the authorities. He was very irresponsible and probably could not handle them financially and emotionally. He could not during the marriage so he walked away. Not an easy situation for him as I would imagine. Diane and her family fought for them but were blocked from day one.
Diane’s dad died a year or two ago. Her mom is still alive and would love to have contact but respect that they won’t. Same with her brother.
Diane’s daughter started saying that she did not know who shot them right when she got adopted. She repeated it years later at school. That poor girl.
If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? They would have tried to reopen the case. Hugi did not want that. You are right. The guy should have walked away from the case or from adopting them. Imagine knowing that your adoptive dad was responsible for putting your natural mom in the slammer? Not right at all.
They were put in an impossible situation. Even put in different hospitals. I hope this would never fly these days to separate wounded children from the only family members they have. They were the small sacrifices.
I see that Downs had a parole hearing in late 2020 but I can’t see the outcome. Is there any update? From what I’ve read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75.
She was turned down.
I watched the highlights of her hearing. Whatever mental illness she has, has gotten worse with each hearing.
I would say so. Spending 35 years incarcerated with time in isolation and often as a target is not going to improve mental health. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannulli’s lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. Imagine the ones there for years.
Why on earth would anyone recommend leaving the kids with the grandparents? They are the ones who supposedly (according to Diane) screwed her up so badly. Wasn’t Mr. F supposed to be a child molester?
Fair question. Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. The grandparents were babysitting the children often and had several children who were well adjusted. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. They felt safe there. I am not sure of the exact timing of Diane’s accusations but the Downs family did not only include the grandparents and they were never considered even before this nonsense. I asked her brother James an answer to your question. I will post it when I get it.
I am posting James’answer: Yes the allegations were said and you cannot take back what was said…even if retracted
BUT the babies were put in Foster Care before any allegations were made… Family has defended and backed Diane for her Innocence clearly from day one… The state took them away from all family because family was and is the enemy…
As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts … were not considered because of an unproven allegation… Does he truly believe this is ok??? is this a reason???
She did it. She had a more than competent attorney and a fair trial before a jury and NOT the same judge who handled the children’s matters. If the media was anything at the time it was favorable towards her. I still remember my mother picking up the paper and seeing the headline. She said “She did it”. I was shocked any asked why she thought that. Why? Because she had driven that area for years for her work. She said no mother would stop at 10 at night, in the dark, with three young children, to help a Bush haired stranger. It was a dark and rural road. Nobody near to help. She did it.
Yes Gigi, the same judge who had removed the children was also presiding over her trial. ‘’Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from ‘juvenile’ to ‘senior’ judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs.’’
Her attorney, James Jagger, did a poor job for Diane. ‘’To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for 6 months in 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015.’’ If you read the blog, you will see examples of his lack of dedication.
Diane’s father tried to hire Melvin Belli, but the judge refused to give him some time to prepare and come back to the US. Foote denied the motion and declared ‘’you have an attorney, use him.”
If you read the blog, you will see many examples of media hype and character assassination.
But you are right, some members of the jury and public had a reasonable doubt. If you read the blog, it is because of the lie told by prosecutor Hugi that ignored the assessment of her therapist Dr. Jamison and was condemned by the psychiatrist that they were convinced to find her guilty.
‘’In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Diane’s fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the State’s presentation. It wasn’t until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. Brewer changed his mind. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jagger’s defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger •
Mr. Brewer stood ready to testify in June 1991, that it was because of Prosecutor Hugi’s lie that he changed his mind to convict and that he alone was responsible for silencing the dissenting votes of two other jurors (Appendix 97).
Mr. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record.
The state’s own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugi’s practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all.” Page 50 of Case History
Diane had moved to Oregon only 6 weeks before the tragedy to work in the area and have her parents spend time with the kids. I don’t know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway.
As her brother mentioned, it would not be that farfetched for his sister to stop for someone considering that she was a person who lacked impulse control and the era.
I encourage you to read all the facts before being so sure that she was guilty or that she acted alone.
The man you have listed as Fred Hugi is actually Diane’s attorney Jim Jagger. Fred Hugi looks nothing like Jim Jagger.
The photo of Hugi I used is the one you find when you do a search online for Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs. John Shea who played Fred in the TV movie Small Sacrifices even looks like him. I never found a photo of James C. Jagger online.
If you have a link, please send it.
No worries. I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. This video has Diane’s attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots.
Thanks for the link. This video of Jagger absolutely looks like the photo that you find on search engines for Fred Hugi. I just tried to find a video or article about Hugi and I only get the one or two that I already have.
I will talk to Diane’s brother. He knows as he was in court and must have photos.
Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. I will change it. Just goes to show how difficult it is sometimes to find the truth.
Yeah, I’ve noticed a lot of people thing Jim Jagger is Fred Hugi. Also, I agree he does look a little like the actor who played Fred Hugi but I think it might be a coincidence. Surprisingly, Fred Hugi actually looks quite different. There is a court sketch artist’s rendering of him in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives
Wow does he ever look different than how they portrayed him in the TV movie. He is in his 70s now and his photo is not on his linkedin or anywhere I could find. Strange how Jagger is pretty absent too except for the few photos where he is wrongly identified as Hugi. The previous video you sent me shows a Jagger pretty animated and involved in the defense of his client. Mind you, it is before the trial.
I will take a screen shot of the sketch. So glad you wrote and provided this information.
I don’t know what happened that night but I have read enough about the case and I believe I’ve seen enough of the trial to know that I would not have been able to convict Diane. I also know that if she’s innocent, I can’t imagine the pain she has to internalize from all of this. I went through a bitter and ugly divorce where my own 2 year old daughter was held from me for 2 months based off of false accusations and it almost killed me. I was a nutcase for months after that and I still can’t even begin to imagine the pain of loosing 3 children for 50 years.